Comment on Australia to form royal commission into antisemitism after Bondi mass shooting

• Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  None of these things are zionism what the fuck are you on about.

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  • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I thought that to. I think genevaconvenience has made a logical assumption, that Israel and Zionism are 1 to 1. This might not be correct especially for the individual who may nlknow more or less about the prigins of Zionism, and the Israeli State and yet have strong connections there.

    For instance, I have strong famiky connections to NSW but when I go there, the place as a whole feels quite different culturally.

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    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Zionism is the belief there should be a Jewish suprpremacist ethnostate. That is what Israel is.

      Anyone who believes Israel should exist is a literally Zionist.

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      • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You’ve made an assumption that everybody today has that original view of Israel. Even though it’s historic origins aren’t disputed, its important to veer away from dangerous generalisations like this as much as possible, its what genocides are made of. Stopping ourselves from making generalisations about whole populations means we can always maintain the ability to comprehend the contextual nuances of one another, something I fear too many in Israel itself refuse to apply to Palestinians, but not all.

        Take Australia: Australia was a settler colonial penal colony. The world turned and the idea of what it would be then, is not necessarily what it is today. And importantly, its not what lots of Australians now believe about their country. Some people may think its still a settler colonial penal colony. The history certainly shows some peoples such as Aborigines have a more than fair claim to still believe that, but theres others that believe its a US satellite state, and yet others again who believe we are young and free.

        My point is, a country is made up of multitudes. No matter what a country’s founding beliefs are, they’re gona change, some will cleave to those beliefs, but others will see their country in a vastly different ways to the founders, and as their lives are lived the face of a nation will change, for better or worse.

        So historically yes that was it’s intention, and likely still has many subscribers to that intention. But, we can’t assume that is everybody who believes Israel should exist, or the only reason driving that belief.

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    • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I got family connections to the UK but I still think it’s somewhere that needs to be heavily chlorinated

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      • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh my! I’m not sure how you mean that! 😂

        • Is that a dig at the UK for getting bullied to take chlorinated chicken from the US?

        • A dig at their privatised water shemozzle?

        • An obscure WW1 chlorine gas reference (this ones my over-active imagination for sure! 😂)

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        • just that its a dirty place that needs more cleaning!

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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Zionism is the belief there should be a Jewish suprpremacist ethnostate. That is what Israel is.

    Anyone who believes Israel should exist is a literally Zionist.

    youtu.be/TB3JMCNLiUQ

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• Almacca@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Maybe they should all move there permanently then.

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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Israel would love that but I don’t think Palestinians are eager for more colonists on their land.

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    • Almacca@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They wouldn’t be able to afford it once it’s a Trump resort anyway.

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