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Those are explicitly derived from the bit of the constitution I was referring to. That’s what defines what they have to tell you and what it means.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. You asked why you would need to invoke a right, and why it would be this way. There’s simply isn’t an answer that doesn’t involve the constitution or judges. The authority figure is using words that judges outlined the basic gist of in 1965 and different judges have dialed back the protections of in the 2000s and earlier.

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dnick@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think the question he has is why would you have to ‘invoke’ a right they literally spelled out to you just seconds before?

If the cop pointed to a glass of water on the table and said ‘you have the right to drink this water’ and you drink the water, and later you’re prosecuted for stealing water, or your blatant disregard for property was used against you in court, because you didn’t explicitly state ‘ok, i am invoking my right to drink this water’…

Aside from emotionally abusive relationships, what other party of life are you explicitly told you have the right to do something and then abused for doing it? It’s basically manipulation disguised as helpful information.

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- ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  And that’s exactly what I explained. There isn’t an answer that doesn’t involve the constitution and what judges had to say about things.
  considering the police are legally allowed to lie to you, the Miranda warning using the name for a legal concept instead of a more accurate description of the right is about the least abusive thing they can do.
  
  It’s not particularly weird for rights to need to be explicitly actioned in general, as an aside. You have to actively get the arms to bare them, write a letter to petition the government, ask for a lawyer and ask them to stop interrogation. Invoking a right isn’t weird, but in this case the actual right is freedom from being coerced into self incrimination. They shouldn’t be able to start interrogation until you unambiguously waive your rights.
  
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