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OptimalHyena@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m a 5, yet I can have extremely vivid dreams that are exactly like I am in that world. I can perfectly picture peoples faces from the past too while dreaming. So the ability is in there somewhere. 🤷♂️
Wait, clarify for me.
If you are a 5 and cannot visualize at all while awake, how do you know your dreams were vivid? Can you imagine the dreams once awake and picture them? Otherwise how can you know how vivid they were?
Maybe my question is dumb haha, i just cannot grasp not being able to use ones mind to imagine.
Yeah - I can recall the dreams that are that vivid just like I would remember seeing a sunset or another impressive scenic view. I can’t see the view again in my mind, but I recall it.
A big one kind of recently was flying in my dream over this gigantic megacity theme park, I remember waking up and being awed by all the varied things I had populated in my imagination (had recently learned that other people could visualize anything so it was curious to me what I could do subconsciously). Right then I recalled it enough that I probably could have drawn some of it, now it is much more vague.
It does make me wonder if I could train myself to visualize while awake.
Interesting, this is my own theory so take it with a grain of salt. But I think everyone has wild confusion with the subject of the minds eye. We are all just recalling things, it’s the same thing.
I believe the difference between 1-5 is much smaller than online discussing would make us think.
I can “see the apple” and I can “feel it crunch” but not actually. I’m just recalling the “idea” of those sensations.
If I stare off in my environment, I can place the apple on a table, I can “pick it up” but there is no apple. I’m simply recalling what it feels like to take that action, or what I would think based on previous experiences it would feel like.
I don’t think anyone is able to legitimately hallucinate things into their reality (within reason of course haha, mental conditions and such) and I always leave these discussions feeling like people who align with 5 think 1’s can legitimately create objects in their reality.
But I can only experience my mind, so we will probably never have a solid answer to this.
I would also be very interested to know if people who align with 5 are able to “train” themselves up the scale.
Do you ever experience hallucinations? Like see people or animals in the corner of your eye that turn out to be just shadows or a coat. I’m a 1 and I sometimes experience vivid hallucinations when I’m really tired or have just woken up. Like I have a recurring hallucination that I occasionally get. Sometimes when I wake up I see a spider hanging above my head. Then I jump out of bed and notice that nothing is there.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Are you able to see your memories more like dreams or are your memories more like a vibe?
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Memories are more like the feelings and senses associated with the memory, alongside a narration of what happened. Like if I had a fight and had to recount it to police, I’d think of how I moved, where I was hit, what kinds of sounds and smells there were, etc. alongside a sort of fight announcer narrating the fight like a boxing match.
Karl@literature.cafe 1 week ago
You mean 5s can’t even remember the visual aspect of memories?!
I’m a 2 or 3 and I can’t imagine this, that sounds horrible.
mediOchre@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I’m a 4, and I’m very poor at remembering people’s faces. Same goes with memories, I realized early on that I have really shit memory especially if I rely only on visuals. These days I just try to deduce past events based on information I’m sure of. I also figured out a few years ago that I can remember my day a lot better if I’m narrating the events to myself in real time and compiling a script in my head, because otherwise I wouldn’t be able to remember much other than the events that affected my emotions more intensely.
Karl@literature.cafe 1 week ago
Like all the time?