Comment on Abortion Rights: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

• Kage520@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Viability. If we can safely take care of it outside of the mother then we should do it. That’s bare minimum 20.5 weeks, but realistically probably 23 or 24 weeks. I would like to see discussions about that range from medical professionals and lawmakers in charge of the budget since that early can be very expensive.

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  • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So would you be okay outlawing abortions past the point of it being viable outside the womb? (assuming there is no threat to the mothers life)

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    • Kage520@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes. I would also hope to expand adoption/ward of the state options, particularly for this age. Maybe they could basically write that if the mother is giving up the baby at (let’s just say 24 weeks), the state pays for the procedure to remove the child and care for them until they are able to be released home. That is a big expense but I think they do this a lot anyway.

      But in this case, you would also want to line up an adoption. With many weeks of hospital care starting at 24 weeks, I feel like that would not be terribly difficult. I hope not. A lot of couples want kids but cannot have them. The new parents could take part in visiting the new baby at the hospital until it’s time to bring them home.

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• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When it’s born.

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  • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So a person only magically becomes a human when they get born? What about the birth process makes them any more or less human?

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    • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The consent of the mother to bring it to term is the only thing that matters.

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    • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes. It’s a distinction we draw based on nature and it’s vitally important to have that distinction. Comparing fetuses to people who are disabled; etc. are false equivalencies because they’ve already been born and thus already have those rights. Birth is the quintessential start of life.

      But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.

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      • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Birth is the quintessential start of life.

        This is an almost religious claim with no empirical evidence backing it.

        But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.

        You have really been sold a narrative haven’t you. I just think killing babies because you don’t want them is bad. That’s pretty much the extent of it.

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