Comment on Abortion Rights: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Kage520@lemmy.world 7 months agoLate term abortion is not a great argument. At some point it is too far along and then most would agree with your point. But to use that point to justify getting rid of all abortion, no matter how far along, is just a weak strawman argument.
cricket98@lemmy.world 7 months ago
At what point does it become a human? So would you be okay with banning abortion after the point where you consider it “life”?
Kage520@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Viability. If we can safely take care of it outside of the mother then we should do it. That’s bare minimum 20.5 weeks, but realistically probably 23 or 24 weeks. I would like to see discussions about that range from medical professionals and lawmakers in charge of the budget since that early can be very expensive.
cricket98@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So would you be okay outlawing abortions past the point of it being viable outside the womb? (assuming there is no threat to the mothers life)
Kage520@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes. I would also hope to expand adoption/ward of the state options, particularly for this age. Maybe they could basically write that if the mother is giving up the baby at (let’s just say 24 weeks), the state pays for the procedure to remove the child and care for them until they are able to be released home. That is a big expense but I think they do this a lot anyway.
But in this case, you would also want to line up an adoption. With many weeks of hospital care starting at 24 weeks, I feel like that would not be terribly difficult. I hope not. A lot of couples want kids but cannot have them. The new parents could take part in visiting the new baby at the hospital until it’s time to bring them home.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
When it’s born.
cricket98@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So a person only magically becomes a human when they get born? What about the birth process makes them any more or less human?
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The consent of the mother to bring it to term is the only thing that matters.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
Yes. It’s a distinction we draw based on nature and it’s vitally important to have that distinction. Comparing fetuses to people who are disabled; etc. are false equivalencies because they’ve already been born and thus already have those rights. Birth is the quintessential start of life.
But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.