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Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoAnother problem is that farm animals don’t talk much about their feelings, ro we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them, thus we can’t say whether we’re helping them by stopping the process.
Pure cope. We know how badly animals are hurt by factory farming methods, and there isn’t a non-factory method that I’m aware of that can meet the demand for meat.
But that raises another question: “how one would know if they’re happy, if they never experienced happiness?”
How do I know you’ve ever been happy? I’ve never seen it, so I can assume you haven’t, right? (This is how nonsensical your argument sounds. We can see farm animals get excited about things the experience, like happy cows skipping to their field)
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
bruh, how do *I* know if i’ye ever been happy? in my experience, happiness is a mere appreciation that something got better than it was before.
no we don’i. Just like with any other alive being, we can only assume, based on what that alive being is communicating, and our personal perception of reality and experience. A human can be hurt, but we won’t know, as long as they won’t communicate. Everything else is an assumption.
You might say that lack of communication doesn’t imply lack of causd harm, and i’d agree with you, but if we’re so much concerned on the caused harm — ad absurdum, we should become autotrophes, as plants have systems for signaling when they’re being harmed too. This liiterally serves the same purpose as our “feeling hurt”.
Farm animals were raised with a single purpose of being farmed, and wouldn’t have existed otherwise. Lucky is a pig that was chosen to be a pet rather than a meat, but so as lucky is a man born ta a wealthy eenough environment to chose when what and where they want to eat.
I have a vanity of choice now, but not so long ago my diet consisted of buckwheat, occasional veggies, and even more occasional meat, as a treat, when the days were good.
And once again, veganism is higly moral, as long as you count every chicken breast you haven’t bought as a saved life. And i think you should do it if it makes you happier, but the meatgrinder won’t stop or even slow down, not to mention that in reality, we’re all are bastards, and i’m not talking just humans, life itself is all about “eat or be eaten” and always were.
Trust me when i say that chickens don’t concern themselve with morality, i’ve lived in a village and seen some shit they can do to their kin. Just as, basically any animal.
So if you’re really so good of heart and highly moral, you better help a fellow human in the first place. Paradoxically, we’re the most moral species there are, and the most capable in terms of doing more good, despite all the atrocities. Before thinking about making happy animals, let’s think about making happy humans, it’s just more optimal this way.
So, is veganism moral? Yes, if you don’t think about it for too long, as long as it’s only your choice, and as long as everyone else in close viscinity already received help from you.
I think buddhists is a good case for highly moral veganism. Otherwise, veganism is a hobby with dubious goals. No judging tho, everyone has those. I too enjoy my hobbies for the process and not for the result.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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Yes, we do. We can easily see how they respond to stimuli; they cry out in pain when wounded, show fear reactions when presented with dangerous stimuli, and show signs of grief and loss when another animal/person dies.
Like, this isn’t up for debate by some random nobody on the Internet, there’s scientific evidence of that fact.
Pain in animals
I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your comment considering how far off base you are here.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
everything’s up for a debate by a random nobody on the internet. it’s in the internet’s core. You’re just as nobody here as everybody else.
Pain response? Stimuli? Sure. Because they *communicate*. as i said.
Except we were talking about the farming methods, those being: form of containment, nutrition… and yes, it also includes the killing method, which is inherently painful… Except any death is painful.
“i don’t like what you’re saying, so i’m not even finishing reading, let alone answering literally every question except literally the first one”
How intealectually lazy of you. Way to crawl up into your comfortable liittle shell of “morality”. How do you expect the problem to be ever fixed if you can’t even discuss the matter?
I’d say you’re all talk about your righteousness in your comfortable bed, but you’re even less than that, as you’re not even talking.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
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