Comment on Not to get all religiony but why in the old testament God was all fire and brimstone and fatal consequences? But the new testament God is all about forgiveness and such??

• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Mark 2:5-12 ESV

  [5] And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” [6] Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, [7] “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [8] And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts? [9] Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? [10] But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— [11] “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.” [12] And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

  By saying “the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” was a divinity claim. Because the scribes were correct - only God can forgive sins.

  Sin is a transgression against God. So only God is in a position to forgive that.

  Psalm 51:4 ESV [4] Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.

  This is written by David despite the fact he committed adultery.

  2 Samuel 12:9, 13 ESV [9] Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. [13] David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die.

  If someone were to wrong me, would my child be able to forgive them? Nope. I’d have to forgive.

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  • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins

    He says the son of man has the authority to forgive sins. If he is trying to explain that he is god, he is doing a terrible job. To me it seems like he is saying “you think only god can forgive sins, I’ll show you you’re wrong”

    If someone were to wrong me, would my child be able to forgive them? Nope.

    You’re saying that your omnipotent god can’t authorize someone to forgive sins on its behalf?

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Whenever Jesus did directly claim to be God, they tried to kill Him.

      John 8:58-59

      Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

      John 10:30-31

      “I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.

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      • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        John 8 starts with the pericope of the women caught in adultery, one of the edits I mentioned…

        Do you know what John 10 doesn’t say?

        The father and I and the holy ghost are one, and three, but most of the time one. 3 persons, one being. Like why didn’t he try explaining it to someone that wouldn’t try to kill him, and that was writing things down…

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