Comment on Why do conservatives define being fascist solely as "being violent?"

• masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If they a re not conservative what are they?

  What they are in reality is an extremist, fundamentalist and far-right strain of liberal. Liberalism has always really just been the fig-leaf ideology behind which capitalism hides… but these people calling themselves “conservatives” are really just capitalists that don’t see the need to bother with a fig-leaf at all. Simply consider the behaviour of people like Trump, Musk and all the other billionaires that barely hide their contempt for the working class. They are not true fascists, but I don’t see a problem with people calling them that - they certainly would like to be true fascists but lack the connection to the working class to actually do that like Hitler or Mussolini did. They are just extremely spoilt rich people living in bubbles of privilege… unlike the fascists of old.

  Conservatism itself is essentially a dead ideology - the conservatives of Abraham Lincoln’s time would sound like radical leftists in comparison to the people using that label today.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sorry, no

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    • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Lol!

      Did you actually read what you posted, genius?

      Here. I’ll make this a bit less confusing for you.

      “An economic theory in favour of laizzez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.”

      Do tell… which of the two formal political factions in the US is most in favour of allowing billionaire parasites (ie, capitalists) to run everything and using the (so-called) “free market” a justification for that?

      The people (honestly) calling themselves “liberals” or the people (falsely) calling themselves “conservatives?”

      Read this part real careful like… political conservatism is a dead ideology.

      You don’t have to believe me - hear it from an actual conservative.

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      • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Ha ha!

        laizzez-faire! laizzez-faire!

        laizzez-faire isn’t an exclusive tenant of liberalism you moron.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah and “Democrat” used to mean you liked slavery. The meaning of words (especially regarding political ideology) shift over time.

    These people are conservatives.

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    • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      These people are conservatives.

      No. They’re not.

      But if you really wish to continue flattering them, feel free to call them “conservatives” - it informs them that their pretense is still working.

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      • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Flattering them??? Conservatism is not some holy religion but if it makes you feel better. What ever.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They’re conservatives. Regardless of what the word may have used to mean, it means this now. No matter how much people want that to not be true.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This whole argument is just cover for “conservatives”. Conservatives foamented this party, they adhere to it, its their dogma in full view. They dont get to slip out now and pretend there is ‘no true scotsman.’

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  • dickalan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    A turd by any other name is still a turd, now it’s MAGA Who like to steal and use that term and apply it to themselves, even though it does not relate to how they ever were in the past

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