You don’t understand why people would celebrate the death of someone that wanted them dead?
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johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 2 days ago
I always thought i was left, but seeing how a lot of people gleefully react to someone’s assasination makes me wonder if i’m actually left.
I don’t mourn Charlie Kirk’s passing, i never liked him. But i certainly don’t celebrate his murder either. Anyone who does should be put in a mental asylum as far as i’m concerned. They certainly have mental health problems.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 1 day ago
anachronist@midwest.social 2 days ago
I always thought i was left, but seeing how a lot of people on the left gleefully react to someone’s assasination makes me wonder if i’m actually left.
I don’t mourn Benito Mussolini’s passing, i never liked him. But i certainly don’t celebrate his murder either. Anyone who does should be put in a mental asylum as far as i’m concerned. They certainly have mental health problem
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 2 days ago
Comparing Charlie Kirk to Mussolini…
Yeah, i stand with my comment. You need better health care.
anachronist@midwest.social 2 days ago
Someone with more time than me could easily do an entertaining mashup of Kirk and Mussolini quotes
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 2 days ago
How many people did Charlie order to kill? Since when was he the dictator of America? Please do enlighten me, because clearly you know so much more then i do…
spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org 21 hours ago
You need better mental health care.
you start off by saying you’ve always thought you’re on the left
but the moment you disagree with someone, you start shit like this, which is a very common pattern of argument from right-wingers.
“I think your opinion is so wrong that it’s a symptom of mental illness” is just fucking stupid. do better. or, if you refuse to do better, stop attempting the “I’ve always been on the left but…” shtick. it is absolutely see-through and does not fool anyone.
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 day ago
I feel like you but I also feel kirk should be treated a bit by his own preachings. He said empathy is weakness and bad policy and not a virtue. He said gun deaths are worth it for the second amendment. He said families should bring their children to witness executions. All these things he said are embodied in his fate. If anyone ever died in a way that embraces their own words it is him.
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 1 day ago
What you mentioned is exactly why i didn’t like him. But i also don’t support the death penalty, and i firmly believe in due process. He got the death penalty without a fair trial. For me it’s as simple as that. And that’s not how democracy works in my book.
He was a conservative right wing political activist, but some people are comparing him to Mussolini even. Like WTF! And just because he didn’t believe in empathy doesn’t mean i shouldn’t either.
Fo i think the world is better without certain people? Sure! Do i think assasinating them is the way to go? No.
And yeah, i’m a gay man. I’m well aware of his views about that. I choose to be civilized though.
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 day ago
Yup and I agree with you 100%. There is how I feel about it but I also think about it in terms of his beliefs. They are not mine but its kinda funny because normally one might bring up judging someone by their own standards to be nicer than ones own beliefs might make it out for the person but for him that is certainly not the case.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
Confused idiots like you will be the end of the USA.
Lawelen@fedia.io 2 days ago
Great idea! All magats will be treated by doctors then
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 2 days ago
They’re equally as bad, yes.
Lawelen@fedia.io 2 days ago
Equally my ass
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 days ago
If you’re basing whether or not you’re “left” on anecdotal evidence of some leftists celebrating his death, you probably weren’t very left to begin with.
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 2 days ago
Fair enough. I suppose i should call myself “center”. Neither left nor right.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Don’t know where you’re actually located, but “center” and “moderate” are just smokescreen euphemisms for “right wing without the nads to say so” here in the Amerikkkan lexicon, these days.
jcarax@beehaw.org 2 days ago
I’ve come to think of myself as trying to be outside of the social constructs that America is currently shedding.
I see society as layered. A social fabric that we weave by acting our beliefs within our communities, which layers atop nature. Upon that we build a structure of law, order, and an artificial economy that we see as beneficial in maintaining a healthy society. It’s important that these three layers closely conform to each other, and that the structures at the top remain minimalistic and efficient in their alignment to the fabric itself, which is more organic.
But the structure has become unwieldly, and is being used against us. It confines us. It enslaves us. The vast majority of people are acting out against this, and their actions are colored by their upbringings and beliefs combined with propaganda. Our diversity is being amplified through anger at our situation, the hate of the propaganda, and the greed that has become systemic.
Then there are the people who seek to rule us. To some degree they recognize that they can manipulate a failing system to take absolute control. They’ve figured out that they can control us by our anger, and turn it into hate and greed.
Right, left… it doesn’t matter. The whole system is coming down. There’s a lot more to that, but as it stands… there’s a reason a lot of us feel driven to go live on a mountain top or the depths of the forest. It’s a withdrawal from an unjust system. But we still need the social fabric, it’s our substrate that makes us who we are. We need to embrace our communities, locally, and focus on making the lives we want everyone to be able to have as we eventually pull through this period of authoritarian fascism.