Comment on Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd

• JaymesRS@piefed.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Imagine a scene where 2 new people come to your house for a party made up of people from many backgrounds, one is kind and the other is hateful and verbally abuses and bullies the one who is kind for something they have no choice over such that they leave your house. Then seeing this one of the other party members kicks the bully out of the house for them being massively rude. Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own. The party is still welcoming of all who preserve the welcoming environment of the party.

  You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad that the asshole was kicked out.

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  • iii@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own.

    Unfortunately, this perspective often misses a crucial truth. Most abusers have a history of being abused themselves (1). They are trapped in a relentless cycle of anger, rejection, and pain, struggling to escape a reality where kindness feels foreign and unrecognizable. Breaking this cycle is profoundly challenging, as it demands consistent empathy and kindness from others—qualities they initially perceive as weaknesses. This is the very lesson they absorbed in their formative years. They see their worldview validated as angry mobs of self-proclaimed “good guys” celebrate intentional agitation, hurt, and violence.

    You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.

    Exactly! Vilify behaviour instead of people. Try to protect your friend that’s being bullied by supporting his behaviour. Recognize that everyone can be hurt or wronged, as well as can hurt and do wrong.

    In other words: be empathic.

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    • JaymesRS@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re not being bullied for their behavior, they are being bullied for their existence (unless you’re suggesting one support the bulling behavior). In our current environment there is no shortage of people reinforcing and welcoming the bullying behavior and decrying the existence of the bullied. If it was an issue of unfamiliarity you would have a point but that’s not the environment that exists and I’d prefer to make the bullied feel welcomed than the oppressor with what limited time and resources I have.

      We all have choices to make, you seem to have chosen to make the oppressors and bullies feel more welcome with your time.

      (Also, your link says that people who are ostracized by others tend to continue that cycle not that people who ostracized others were themselves victims of ostracization in the past. That’s swapping cause-and-effect, and doesn’t support your contention)

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      • iii@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’d prefer to make the bullied feel welcomed than the oppressor with what limited time and resources I have

        Nobody truely is solely the bully or bullied. That’s what seperates empathy from parochial empathy: understanding not only people who you like, but also those who you don’t like.

        your link says that people who are ostracized by others tend to continue that cycle not that people who ostracized others were themselves victims of ostracization

        You might misunderstand the meaning of the word cycle?

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