Comment on Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd

• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?

  Tolerant people in groups whether that is by race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or gender are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups. So people practicing tolerance as a peace treaty are still practicing empathy not parochial empathy.

  Do you see the problem with using a straw man to argue? Refuting your argument is trivial.

  That’s what most here are doing.

  Considering this acts in accordance with self-preservation this is a rational and useful decision to have made.

  Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal?

  Charlie Kirk and the other fascists he was a mouth piece for have already broken the social contract with their fascist takeover of the United States. This fascists administration goal is to around up minority groups into death camps and a pollute the planet as much as possible with coal powered ‘freedom cities’. The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.

  The intolerant group has already decided those being tolerant are fair game before this. The fascists already wanted to kill people. We knew this before the election. They were completely open with what they wanted to do. Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups to defend themselves against intolerant fascists. This is a clear cut example of real empathy.

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  • iii@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups

    Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here. They only do so when they identify with people as part of their in-group.

    The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.

    Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?

    Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups

    Exactly, they should! What they’re doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group.

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    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Apparently they are not

      Charlie Kirk wasn’t empathetic himself. Literally look at the posted quote by OP. He was not a tolerant person, but intolerant of others.

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      • iii@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?

        In doing so, you’re spreading vile evil ideals that lead to pain and suffering of others.

        The message that it’s fair game to murser and hurt people, as long as you view them as “other”.

        The test is empathy, man.

        Exactly!

        Charlie actively advocated against that

        Pot, meet kettle

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    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Exactly, they should! What they’re doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group.

      The fascists are trying to kill people. In response your argument proposes what is best described as a kind of Stockholm syndrome. But instead of a empathy for captures your argument would have victims have empathy for their murderers. Like some kind of extreme form of rape culture. It’s disgusting in my opinion.

      Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?

      Those tolerant people are feeling empathy for each other regardless of their group. They are even expressing empathy for Charlie Kirk’s children. So they are following the social contract where as the fascists are not.

      Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here.

      Those who break the peace treaty are not protected by it. The fascists broke the peace treaty so the fascists are not protected by it.

      They feel empathy for the intolerant

      The users in this thread are still tolerant of each other, regardless of group. So the empathy they feel towards each other is for tolerant people of different groups.

      , and dislike the emphatic.

      Fascists want to kill out groups. Fascists are practicing parochial empathy if even that. Your argument seems to have no grasp of what empathy is or how to practice it in a healthy or useful way so it is not compelling.

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