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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.

What you’re doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that’s the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What’s there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you’re saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they’ll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.

The things that authoritarians don’t understand is that when principles aren’t applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.

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surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.

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- Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Can cite specific examples of this?
  
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  - surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Pick any single episode he published.
    
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Geldaran@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted to oblivion. I’m not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question… When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.

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- WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  when they talk about removing rights from the “others” in society.
  
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  - Geldaran@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t know your backgrounds or motivations, but that simple a response feels flippant.
    
    I too believe that you should obviously resist and try to counter someone who wants to stamp down the “other” just because they are the other. But simple talk probably shouldn’t warrant execution, unless you want those same rules to apply against you as well. Fight them with words and actions, yes. Discredit the speaker and their ideas, embarrass them, ostracize them. Drive them and their bass-ackwards views out of polite society. I know this is difficult in the current environment. They appear to have no shame. But I think the bar for for violence has to be higher.
    
    I wont shed any tears for this guy. I wont use his name. I want him to be forgotten. But I don’t think his killing should be celebrated either.
    
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    WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    i am saying that the time to act is now. unless you want to wait until the genocide starts. it sounded flippant because it was.
    
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TomArrr@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It’s fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain’t wasting a caring thought on him.

medium.com/…/the-paradox-of-tolerance-or-how-sile…

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- Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s not about him, it’s about the implications of embracing actions like this. Vigilantes killing people for political reasons without due process is not justice
  
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