Comment on What happend to messenging apps interoperability in the EU?

• bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They are forced to offer it. But they’re not forced to use it.

  If Signal wanted to federate with WhatsApp, WhatsApp would be forced to open up. But Signal doesn’t want to.

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  • mitram@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Wait, why not?

    Are they afraid users won’t feel the need to switch since you can talk to everyone either way?

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    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Moxie says something along those lines every once in a while. He really loves the one vendor ecosystem. Says it makes it easier to react to security threats and that the security of Signal would be weaker if they had to federate with anyone.

      One example I read him bring up was how WhatsApp was basically able to implement Signal’s OpenWhisper protocol exactly because they’re a closed ecosystem and don’t have to factor in third party clients or networks.

      I read that in interviews and github comments over the years. But I think they also stated that officially before and after this legislation was made.

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      • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Open whisper protocol works with a federated networks in fact its more anonymous cos if u have only one server u can collate senders and receiver’s to build a social graph. Their is quite a bit of sus shit related to signal they don’t like 3rd party clients, they have mandatory phone number requirements (despite that being their most significant cost), they received money from inqtel the CIA venture capital fund.

        I don’t see what security advantage u get from a single vendor ecosystem. I see a lot a reasons it can be abused tho.

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