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“nah bruh this site is considered broken for the mere fact that it uses JavaScript at all”

A little paraphrased, but that’s the gist.

Isn’t there an article just today that talks about CSS doing most of the heavy-lifting java is usually crutched to do?

I did webdev before the framework blight. It was manual php, it was ASP, it was soul-crushing. That’s the basis for my claim that javascript lamers are just lazy, and supply-chain splots waiting to manifest.

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victorz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

CSS doing most of the heavy-lifting java is usually crutched to do

JavaScript you mean? Some small subset of things that JavaScript was forced to handle before can be done in CSS, yes, but that only goes for styling and layout, not interactivity, obviously.

I did webdev before the framework blight. That’s the basis for my claim that javascript lamers are just lazy

There is some extremely heavy prejudice and unnecessary hate going on here, which is woefully misdirected. Well get to that. But the amount of time that has passed since you did web dev might put at a disadvantage to make claims about web development these days. 👍

Anyway. Us JavaScript/TypeScript “lamers” are doing the best with what we’ve got. The web platform is very broken and fragmented because of its history. It’s not something regular web devs can do much about. We use the framework or library that suits us best for the task at hand and the resources we are given (time, basically). It’s not like any project will be your dream unicorn project where you get to decide the infrastructure from the start or get to invent a new library or a new browser to target that does things differently and doesn’t have to be backwards compatible with the web at large. Things don’t work this way.

Don’t you think we sigh all day because we have to monkey patch the web to make our sites behave in the way the acceptance criteria demand? You call that lazy, but we are working our knuckles to the bone to make things work reasonably well for as many people as we can, including accessibility for those with reduced function. It’s not an easy task.

… “Lazy.” I scoffed in offense, to be honest with you.

It’s like telling someone who made bread from scratch they’re lazy for not growing their own wheat, ffs.

Let’s see you do better. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

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