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anarchosparky@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Lots of reasons.
At some point a human decides who gets to be born and how, which has been abused almost every single time, usually against minorities
Our understanding of human biology is constantly changing. If we suddenly stopped "allowing" neurodivergent kids to be born, half this site wouldn't exist
breb@piefed.social 4 months ago
Yes, but at the same time this neurodivergent people, same as disabled people don't have a minimun quality of life...
It's making someone born so that he can be a slave of people who have good life and suffer
adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
As a neurodivergent person, let me just say that I have a great life. Why should you, or anyone else, get to make uninformed decisions about who gets to live based on inaccurate information?
Also, just look at bananas to see where eugenics ends up. Crops devastatingly vulnerable to disease, ans companies like Chiquita creating slaves of entire nations that manage them. It’s not hard to extend this wrt humans.
But really, the main reason is how tightly linked eugenics programs through history have been linked to fascism.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Fucking everyone is “neurodivergent” because there’s thousands of places to diverge in hundreds of different ways
Is someone was “typical” in every single aspect, just smack dab in the middle average, they would be the most statistically unique person on the planet.
“typical” isn’t even always best, it’s literally just the range of average most people fall into.
anarchosparky@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Who the fuck are you to tell me i don't have a minimum quality of life? Mfer I've got a family, business, home, friends.
THIS is the exact problem.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
But how can you say that you have a better life than them if you are inferior? Clearly a lesser person won’t be able to reason through these complex arguments…
Don’t you love the smell of nazi at any time of the day? It signals who should you punch.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
I’m autistic, currently pursuing a PhD in one of my special interests. I am perfectly content with being autistic. Tl;dr; we need inclusion like neurotypical people already get from systems designed in their image, not elimination.
I needed some services to get to where I’m at…but even neurotypical people need services, at a bare minimum diaper changes and feeding, but practically a lot more things like education, parenting, social networks, shelter, and a healthy environment.
Really, what autistic people need in general is to be included in the wider world, with all of the prerequisites and consequences it entails. Eugenics is, being extremely charitable, an extremely poor attempt at inclusivity by restricting humanity to the types of people the system is already designed to include. In practice, eugenics is simply a way for the in-group to eliminate an inconvenient out-group, and anyone who says otherwise is either wrong or lying to you.
Instead of changing and abolishing people, who in my view have intrinsic worth, we should change and abolish systems, which generically have no intrinsic worth. And in many, many cases, the currently existing systems are worse than worthless even for most neurotypical people, for example racism, capitalism, sexism, LGBT-phobia, nationalism, statism, ableism etc., even before neurodivergence is factored in!
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Fuck you. Sincerely. As an autistic person.
I don’t need someone to kill me before I’m born, what ri need is people that accept that I need accomodations different than the ones neuromilds need.
Fucking hell… You live in a world that is full of accomodations for neuromilds, without which, you’d live in hell. And instead of recognising how easy it is for you thanks to those accorodations, you want to purge us?
Damn how I wish you lived through the life of one of us just for one day…