Doesn’t matter. People are still going to get angry because it goes against the trend of “NUTREK BAD AND MAKE NO SENSE”. There’s a reason I sighed at the start of it. I’m just so tired of hearing this take that isn’t rooted in logic but rooted in opinion. Like I said. If you want to dislike it, that’s fine. If you think the show sucks, that’s fine. I disagree but that’s whatever. But to attempt to say that a show objectively does not make sense or breaks canon simply because you dislike it or are unaware of the connections? It’s just disingenuous and tiring behavior.
I wasn’t a fan of discovery at first, but by the time Pike and Spock came in it was obvious they had gotten some people involved who cared about the universe. I feel like it has recontextualized TOS, and added a lot of depth to the characters we’ve known for the longest time. And they’ve done a fantastic job of making the shows intelligible to new people, while adding heaps of depth, backstory and context for the rest of us with the simplest things, like Picard holding his flute at the beginning of season 3.
People can completely ignore the new stuff if they like, but I like that they’re taking some risks. The alternative is what we got with the last star wars trilogy. Perfect casting, fantastic acting, excellent world building, and a story that meandered, found the safest route, and ended up not leaving much of its own mark. Or anyway, that was my opinion.
I agree. The first season was rough but I dare anyone to name any show other than Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds (which are insane aberrations that I’m so happy we have) that had a good first couple seasons. It takes most shows some time to find their footing. Discovery was no exception. I’m really enjoying the ride we’ve gotten to take. Has it been bumpy? Yeah. But it’s been a really fun ride showing a side of the Trek universe don’t normally get to see. It always bothers me that people say “Oh this doesn’t get Trek” or “it doesn’t understand Trek” because that seems to be painting Trek itself in a very shallow manner. There’s a lot of depth and complexity to the universe. Sure, most of the shows are explorative and less emotional but that doesn’t mean everyones like that. Lower Decks proved that point as well.
Like I said. People can not like it all they want. I get it. But personally I think it’s a really fun and interesting show with interesting and entertaining takes on the universe we know and love. Also I think the ship is just fucking GORGEOUS.
@Stamets I thought naming the lead engineer after the foremost authority on mushrooms showed a remarkable amount of commitment to the utterly bonkers tech. There’s a ‘anything can happen day” quality to the show that really helped the 60 year old franchise.
Yes. And the characters. They have depth, and it feels like you know them, which makes putting lgbtq and neurodivergent characters on the screen that much better. I understand their motivations, and i’m autistic so that’s a real accomplishment.
I’m not caught up on all the shows, because i don’t always have the energy for the active watching that something like Picard warrants, but they’ve managed to make even something as silly as lower decks have character development, depth, and add a completely different view of starfleet. Like, the whole chest alien conspiracy from TNG isn’t so wild when you see that there’s a wide range of people in starfleet that’s not so obvious from following around their absolute best and brightest.
Stamets@startrek.website 6 months ago
Doesn’t matter. People are still going to get angry because it goes against the trend of “NUTREK BAD AND MAKE NO SENSE”. There’s a reason I sighed at the start of it. I’m just so tired of hearing this take that isn’t rooted in logic but rooted in opinion. Like I said. If you want to dislike it, that’s fine. If you think the show sucks, that’s fine. I disagree but that’s whatever. But to attempt to say that a show objectively does not make sense or breaks canon simply because you dislike it or are unaware of the connections? It’s just disingenuous and tiring behavior.
constantokra@lemmy.one 6 months ago
I wasn’t a fan of discovery at first, but by the time Pike and Spock came in it was obvious they had gotten some people involved who cared about the universe. I feel like it has recontextualized TOS, and added a lot of depth to the characters we’ve known for the longest time. And they’ve done a fantastic job of making the shows intelligible to new people, while adding heaps of depth, backstory and context for the rest of us with the simplest things, like Picard holding his flute at the beginning of season 3.
People can completely ignore the new stuff if they like, but I like that they’re taking some risks. The alternative is what we got with the last star wars trilogy. Perfect casting, fantastic acting, excellent world building, and a story that meandered, found the safest route, and ended up not leaving much of its own mark. Or anyway, that was my opinion.
Stamets@startrek.website 6 months ago
I agree. The first season was rough but I dare anyone to name any show other than Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds (which are insane aberrations that I’m so happy we have) that had a good first couple seasons. It takes most shows some time to find their footing. Discovery was no exception. I’m really enjoying the ride we’ve gotten to take. Has it been bumpy? Yeah. But it’s been a really fun ride showing a side of the Trek universe don’t normally get to see. It always bothers me that people say “Oh this doesn’t get Trek” or “it doesn’t understand Trek” because that seems to be painting Trek itself in a very shallow manner. There’s a lot of depth and complexity to the universe. Sure, most of the shows are explorative and less emotional but that doesn’t mean everyones like that. Lower Decks proved that point as well.
Like I said. People can not like it all they want. I get it. But personally I think it’s a really fun and interesting show with interesting and entertaining takes on the universe we know and love. Also I think the ship is just fucking GORGEOUS.
aethervision@universeodon.com 6 months ago
@Stamets I thought naming the lead engineer after the foremost authority on mushrooms showed a remarkable amount of commitment to the utterly bonkers tech. There’s a ‘anything can happen day” quality to the show that really helped the 60 year old franchise.
Prouvaire@kbin.social 6 months ago
TOS. 😎
constantokra@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Yes. And the characters. They have depth, and it feels like you know them, which makes putting lgbtq and neurodivergent characters on the screen that much better. I understand their motivations, and i’m autistic so that’s a real accomplishment.
I’m not caught up on all the shows, because i don’t always have the energy for the active watching that something like Picard warrants, but they’ve managed to make even something as silly as lower decks have character development, depth, and add a completely different view of starfleet. Like, the whole chest alien conspiracy from TNG isn’t so wild when you see that there’s a wide range of people in starfleet that’s not so obvious from following around their absolute best and brightest.