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loudwhisper@infosec.pub 22 hours agoNo it doesn’t exclude that, but it also unnecessarily mixes racial with gender discrimination, and in a general statement like that is odd to do that. The intention I perceived was to link the creation of spaces that women (or minorities) require to white men discrimination only, which is absurd in my opinion.
To make a similar example, saying “gay people need their spaces, because they are historically discriminated by black women” doesn’t “exclude” that also men discriminate them, or that also white women do, but I hope you can see what an odd statement that is, and if someone would find it misogynistic or racist, I think they would be right.
Thinking maliciously, I would say that’s the classic way for a white guy (the commenter stated that about himself) to make a statement that is less controversial because it only “accuses” their own demographic and the most acceptable demographic to critique.
Your example doesn’t really match up because you only mentioned one group and the group shares no logical overlap with the called-out demographic.
I interpreted the original statement as shorthand for white people discriminating against black people and men discriminating against women. Your reading is more grammatically accurate, but less charitable. Given your final paragraph I would encourage you to be more charitable with your interpretations.
Fair enough.
However, OP stood by his statement:
Including both in the same sentence is because of the common shared group of oppressors, white men.
So I guess your interpretation was too generous, mine slightly too strict.
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spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Maybe stop doing that.
loudwhisper@infosec.pub 20 hours ago
The rest of the critique remains nevertheless.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The whole critique is based on a malicious reading leading to inferring meaning that isn’t there instead of taking the words literally.
loudwhisper@infosec.pub 19 hours ago
Absolutely not true. The critique is based on adding a racial connotation to gender oppression, which is completely orthogonal to it.
To be even more frank, saying that women and minorities need safe spaces because white men historically oppressed them is complete bonkers. Women need safe spaces because men historically oppressed them, and that is true all around the world, in almost all communities.
I literally took your words literally, as I quoted and addressed the very sentence you wrote. You decided to add white to a sentence that didn’t need it. It’s already the second comment where you refuse to elaborate and instead you indulge in meta-conversation. So for the sake of clarity, discard everything I have said so far, and allow me to simply ask what did you mean with that sentence?