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Dasus@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoAlmost as if I’m a compulsive reader!
I have never met a person who has said “I couldn’t see the movie/show from all that reading I had to do”. And in the movies there’s subtitles in two different languages, while a third one is being spoken. (Officially bilingual country and city so all shows at the theatre have both Finnish and Swedish subs.)
I’m not presuming anything. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying the “visual medium”. You’re just not used to reading, clearly, meaning you’re probably not a big reader.
I’m from a country which prefers subs over dubs, and my personal experience (and studies such as the one Stephen is talking about) has shown that keeping subtitles on will improve literacy.
You say you have a newborn. So I thought it would be a good time to suggest that maybe you should try getting used to subtitles, because if you do, then you can keep them on by default and increase your child’s (and anyone else watching) literacy, just by doing that.
No-one is saying you should do this thing or that thing. Studies are showing that literacy improves if you use subtitles. That’s it. End of story. Not even a suggestion as to what you should do or how you should value literacy as a skill.
You do you man.
The only subs that really bother me are hardcoded asian subs with a hard black background, taking like a third of the screen and I don’t even understand the text. But then I just delete that version of whatever it was and find a new one. So I do understand personal preference and wanting to not have needless things you aren’t used to.
You make you own choices, I can’t, or rather won’t make suggestions. Not my place. But I can say what I think is factual. Like “using subs improves literacy”.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Ironically, I really don't want to read that much text right now, but that's mostly because it's 0450 and said newborn has only just fallen back to sleep. I'm going to, but it amused me that the timing of the comment is so poor.
Also before we go on:
Your first sentence and last sentence are direct contradictions. I'm plenty used to reading and you're presuming I'm not based on my dislike of subtitles (as what other data do you have to go on?).
Anyway, my annoyance at that aside, let's have some context:
I read a LOT as a child, a tradition I intend to continue with my child. Ideally I don't want her to spend much time watching stuff at all. I also grew up with a deaf sister and a father with one functional ear. We always had subtitles on.
I still turned out the way I did.
Also, I'm half Swedish, so any time spent in Sweden - guess what, subtitles!
I do not like that my brain works this way. It is extremely annoying. However, try as I might, it makes no difference.
So for preference I only use subtitles when I need to (elsewhere in the thread, for example, I talk about watching Das Boot). It's a compromise for me and if I don't need it I don't want to have my eye constantly drawn to the bottom of the screen rather than wherever the filmmaker is trying to draw my eye (assuming the film maker knows how to do that - see Transformers vs. Fury Road!). In principle some subtitle formats support better placement but how often does that actually see use? It's a total crapshoot.
Subtitles may well improve literacy, but I would expect that fostering the same love of reading that everyone else in my family has is probably better. She already has a library queued up and ready to go, both in English and Swedish, so we're going to do our best.
Essentially I take the view that if I'm using a medium I want the best of it - within reason. So if it's film, I want visuals (I collect UHDs), if it's audio I want decent quality (but SACDs are still dumb 😆), and if it's literature I want engaging narratives (I don't care if it eventually gets good - lots of books are good to begin with and my reading time is limited!).
These days I don't read much because I have so many other things to do, but when I do I kind of get a little... What's the opposite of lagom? I power through books and then reappear looking like that bear that's just emerged from hibernation 😂
One problem I do have with reading though is choice - my mother put amazing effort into picking books for me. However as a result my skill at choosing for myself isn't great. Still, I have recommendations from friends and the internet and more of those than I have time to read. Hopefully my child won't end up with that issue!
Dasus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“This scientific effect may well be true, but I’m ignoring it!”
You’re taking this extremely personally for some reason. You clearly said you “detest subtitles”. So you’re not gonna use them, even if there was science saying that they will help?
Why do you think using subtitles would subtract from “fostering the same love of books everyone in my family has”?
I’m not presuming anything. You literally said “I detest subtitles”.
You’re gonna not use them even if they helped your children to learn how to read and even after they know how to read, improved their literacy?
Are you gonna offer either subtitled TV or foster a love of reading in them without showing them any tv? Because if you’re gonna “foster some love of books” in them anyway, but that they are going to still use TV. Then why not add the benefit that using subs have scientifically been shown to have by putting them on? Because you “detest” reading while watching a movie more than a you do having your kids learn?
Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I think that could be said for your entire response to me. I've no interest in further interacting with you. I've attempted to relate to you, be friendly in disagreement, and be clear in my position. That's not working and this interaction is just proving a source of needless stress. Goodbye.
Dasus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So you just refuse to believe in science. Alright. You do you.