Comment on Greens and Coalition bristle against Labor’s changes to the standing orders [to allow kicking out MPs for longer and to avoid recording the names of MPs who on some motions]

Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No, you definitely can’t. A lot of votes happen without everyone attending. Popular tools like They Vote For You look at the Hansard record of who voted to determine how they vote. If they don’t show up as having voted, those tools aren’t going to just presume they would have voted some way.

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  • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If someone didn’t attend a likely majority vote then I most certainly will assume they agree with the majority, and will treat them as such.

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Especially if they sat by and said nothing while their party made these changes to the standing orders.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You can’t even know if they were in Canberra at the time. Many politicians may have been in their home division, unwell, in in a meeting, or in a pairing arrangement with someone on the other side.

      More to the point, as I said in the previous comment, most people aren’t looking at individual politicians’ individual votes and also cross-referencing how their colleagues voted in votes they didn’t attend. Certainly tools like They Vote For You won’t do that, and that’s how most people are going to evaluate politicians’ actions.

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      • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If they really wanted to be counted either not supporting or supporting a bill depending on where the mi ority sat, then they’d make the effort to get in and vote, otherwise it can be assumed they are sideing with the majority. They are voting with their actions.

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