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Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

That’s definitely fair, but there is the argument that the largest source of change for major powers is through harming their economies.

Sort of like, I like the artistry from this person from X nation, but by giving them money, I am indirectly helping fuel the economy of X nation, therefore giving their goverment less incentive to change existing behavior.

The problem is that in order to achieve that collective impact, a whole lot of innocent parties who have no support for or active hostility for the existing regime are also badly impacted. Usually individuals will greatly suffer before the political or structural systems will ever change.

So it’s a bit of a bind. Support Russian media, comes with the side effect of supporting the Russian regime, at least indirectly from their income flowing into taxes. End of the day, it’s a choice to make.

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captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
It’s also that you’re fueling their cultural influence. Cultural influence does a lot of sanitization. Look at how japanophiles often fetishize Japan rather than seeing it as a country with good and bad elements. America was particularly good at this conversion.

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- Ushmel@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  See also: sportswashing in the middle east autocracies.
  
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flyingsaucerhat@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’d love to see some data backing this argument up. Doesn’t seem like years of sanctions on Russia, Iran, or North Korea had a sufficient impact to cause any change. Harming the economy can just as likely be used to reinforce the regime by creating a common enemy and blaming them for the people’s hardships (like North Korea does with the USA) On the other hand, use of force was pretty effective in causing change in Nazi Germany or Japan.

Of course it’s not all straightforward. Change by force can have negative results, and change by economic means can have positive ones. That’s why I’d love to see the data, if there is any

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Doesn’t seem like years of sanctions on Russia, Iran, or North Korea had a sufficient impact to cause any change.
  
  Seems like it made them more insular, more self-sufficient, and more hostile to future diplomatic entreties.
  
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  - Nico_198X@europe.pub ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    yeah, because that’s what Putin wants?
    
    let us know when you come back to reality.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Putin wouldn’t be President of Russia if the US and the USSR had been able to settle their differences without a 60 year long series of proxy wars and regime changes. Neither would Trump, for that matter.
    
    You played yourselves.
    
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