FPTP is going to give us a Farage reich with less than a third of the vote.
The voting system desperately needs changing. The left needs this more than the right as it’s always more split. It’s more idealistic, less comprising. Reform/UKIP/Brexit has been the right’s split from the Conservatives, but Labour has LibDem, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens and now more.
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
The idea farage can gain by splitting the Tory vote. But a new left party cannot gain when the left vote is already split to hell.
Is just not logical anymore.
Labour has lost the hope of such a huge % of the left wing voters. They won the last election more due to Tory non voting then labour voters.
And that was before attacks on disabled. Authoritarian arrest of Gaza anti genacide supporters. And totally refusing to address the huge wealth gap creating the cost of living crisis.
They have lost a huge % of polling post the election.
So the logic that voting Labour will lead to reform. Also a vote splitting party. Rather then coalescing the left of centre vote around a new party that actually listens to left voters. Makes no sense.
Consider these facts, Reforms percieved risk is because reform is seen to be listening to Right Wing voters post the Tory failed election. The very voter Starmer attempted to appeal to in the election. While literally dragging along a small % Left of centre voters who fear Tories.
Labours polling shows a huge loss of trust in even the small % of left wing voters. As the Starmer government has continued the worst of Tory policies. While: increasing attacks on disabled, Censoring opposition to the Gaza genacide (imprisoning protesters for supporting an idea not their activities), showing huge curruption in accepting gifts etc (exactly like the Tory govs).
Add to that the very insistence in refusing to raise taxes on those that have gained the most wealth over the last w decades. IE capital gains and non PAYE based ttaxes.Basically refusing to challenge the tory press arguments of any tax is breaking their promise. (Clearly a Tory press lie.)
Over all ATM polling indicates. Without a huge leadership change and reverse in direction. Their is absolutely no hope of Labour winning the election. And not much hope of a coalition with any Left of centre party currently existing.
The most likely result ATM is a Tory reform coalition. And let’s face it. Unlike the 2010 Lib Dems. Reform will not be changing their perceived ideals post coalition. The Tories will be moving closer to reform policy. Not the other way around.
Labours current actions make this more likely not less. All they are doing is trying to split reforms support. While pushing more centre right in that direction.
The only hope of a true Left of centre change. Is a left wing party willing to listen to and form the most broadly acceptable Left of centre policies. Actually forming a party (or changing an existing one but I don’t see that happening). That can win the majority of left support. Amd start to push the overton window back.
The only true negative I see. Is Lack of a leader that can win the respect of both far left and left of centre voters.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Authoritarian arrest?! They broke into an RAF base and crippled multiple planes, FFS.
Why do you want Farage to win so badly? He’d be awful for the country. Do you not see the damage he’s already done?
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
No. Not arresting them. Arresting people for holding signs supporting them. That is extremely authoritarian. And has fuck all value but as a form of censorship. Arresting people for supporting an idea out right fascism.