I’d love it if someone would market a 240V kettle for the US. I’d install the 240 line for it. I mean I use the damn thing multiple times per day, more than my stove, and that has a 240 line.
Still. I’m not convinced it would make a major difference. Like I said I have a 240V induction stove and I have experimented with how fast I can boil water on that thing in a suitable pot or kettle, versus the 120V electric kettle. It is not a big difference. We’re taking a few seconds.
In the winter months when we’re drinking lots and lots of warm beverages we plug in the Zojirushi hot water carafe and have hot water all the time, instantly. It does consume some energy to keep it hot all the time, but it’s well insulated and we use a timer to turn it off at night and then on again in time for morning wake-up. Eliminates the wait entirely.
You should look into getting a hot/cold water dispenser for your sink. Easy to DIY install.
They consume ~40w per hour. Where I live it is 15 cents per kwh. That’s .006 per hour, .15 per day, or 55 dollars per year.
Instant hot/cold water whenever you want it is nice.
Starting from room temperature water to near boiling takes a ton of energy. I don’t know if keeping it hot for 8 hours takes more electricity than starting it back up in the morning.
But you’re probably paying half the $55 in electricity right now for the Zojirushi.
Id pay $25 dollars a year to have instant hot and cold water (even filtered if you wanted) on tap 24/7. Especially if I were like you and used it multiple times a day.
You make an interesting case. I haven’t seen one of those that I liked. Just the nasty ones from the 80s that were always crusted over with scale. We do have to descale the Zojirushi often.
Starting from room temperature water to near boiling takes a ton of energy. I don’t know if keeping it hot for 8 hours takes more electricity than starting it back up in the morning.
This made me think.
It seems like it would be a wash in the end. The Zojirushi is insulated, so it stays pretty hot even in the 8 hours it’s turned off overnight. But let’s imagine it is losing a certain amount of heat called “x” per hour.
In the morning I’d have to spend 8x to get it back up to temperature. But it still loses heat even when it’s turned on. So I’m already spending the same x every hour just to keep it on.
Now let’s imagine that the insulation loses x per hour but 4 hours is enough to leak all the heat out. Okay, I’ve lost 4x. But I would have spent 8x to keep it on all night.
So it seems like it can only be a gain to turn it off for certain spells. And that is intuitively obvious, too: turning something off should save energy.
You can get a filter for the dispenser. Pure drinking water and hot water while reducing scale buildup.
I don’t have a filter on mine and I have never done any descaling or maintenance on it in 7+ years other than cleaning the faucet like I would any other faucet.
Pro:
Instant hot water on tap 24/7 (Instant cool drinking water 24/7)
Able to easily filter water
Unlimited water (No refilling unit)
Con:
Extra electricity
$30 extra a year?
Like would you pay $2.50-$5 monthly subscription for unlimited instant hot/cold filtered water on tap whenever you want it? (above $2.50 would be for cold and filter if you choose those options instead of just hot. Since I assume cold takes more energy and you have to replace filters)
Doesn’t make sense for everyone, and you do have to think about the upfront cost. You can get a tank for ~150, then the faucet can be ~50 to whatever you want to pay.
So maybe if your Zojirushi ever breaks. I enjoy my Zojirushi bread maker a ton.
So it seems like it can only be a gain to turn it off for certain spells. And that is intuitively obvious, too: turning something off should save energy.
Cars get better mileage on the highway than on city roads. Drive an hour, stop, drive an hour, stop, drive an hour. It is less efficient than driving 3 hours nonstop. The more stops the more inefficient.
The under sink heaters are designed to keep water hot 24/7. I would image it is better insulated than the Zojirushi. The water is stored in a container that basically heats it up from every side. Some kettles like the one in the video have heating elements inside the water which is more efficient than just a hot bottom plate. Under sink heater has a hot plate on all sides of it’s box.
From my experience, I’ve had one my entire life and couldn’t go back. I would expect at least 7-10 years from one. One in my current house is 7+ years old and works exactly the same as the day I installed it. Never turned it off once.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’d love it if someone would market a 240V kettle for the US. I’d install the 240 line for it. I mean I use the damn thing multiple times per day, more than my stove, and that has a 240 line.
Still. I’m not convinced it would make a major difference. Like I said I have a 240V induction stove and I have experimented with how fast I can boil water on that thing in a suitable pot or kettle, versus the 120V electric kettle. It is not a big difference. We’re taking a few seconds.
In the winter months when we’re drinking lots and lots of warm beverages we plug in the Zojirushi hot water carafe and have hot water all the time, instantly. It does consume some energy to keep it hot all the time, but it’s well insulated and we use a timer to turn it off at night and then on again in time for morning wake-up. Eliminates the wait entirely.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You should look into getting a hot/cold water dispenser for your sink. Easy to DIY install.
They consume ~40w per hour. Where I live it is 15 cents per kwh. That’s .006 per hour, .15 per day, or 55 dollars per year.
Instant hot/cold water whenever you want it is nice.
Starting from room temperature water to near boiling takes a ton of energy. I don’t know if keeping it hot for 8 hours takes more electricity than starting it back up in the morning.
But you’re probably paying half the $55 in electricity right now for the Zojirushi.
Id pay $25 dollars a year to have instant hot and cold water (even filtered if you wanted) on tap 24/7. Especially if I were like you and used it multiple times a day.
You only need a 120v outlet.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I get hot water instantly for most of the year thanks to 110F outside temp.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m talking about an instant hot water dispenser which can put out 210°F or 99°C almost instantly.
You have three main ways to heat water for something like tea.
1 Boil on stove top
2 Electric Kettle
2.5 Electric Kettle with larger tank and dispenser (Zojirushi)
3 Instant hot water faucet with heater tank under cabinet
*Microwaving water can be very dangerous
My opinion is while opinion 3 is the most costly, it is super nice and convenient if you use it often.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You make an interesting case. I haven’t seen one of those that I liked. Just the nasty ones from the 80s that were always crusted over with scale. We do have to descale the Zojirushi often.
This made me think.
It seems like it would be a wash in the end. The Zojirushi is insulated, so it stays pretty hot even in the 8 hours it’s turned off overnight. But let’s imagine it is losing a certain amount of heat called “x” per hour.
In the morning I’d have to spend 8x to get it back up to temperature. But it still loses heat even when it’s turned on. So I’m already spending the same x every hour just to keep it on.
Now let’s imagine that the insulation loses x per hour but 4 hours is enough to leak all the heat out. Okay, I’ve lost 4x. But I would have spent 8x to keep it on all night.
So it seems like it can only be a gain to turn it off for certain spells. And that is intuitively obvious, too: turning something off should save energy.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thought of something else. Your water heater stays on 24/7.
The only hot water I use in the morning before I go to work is to wash my hands.
If I don’t get home until let’s say 5. I’d need to wash my hands some more but I don’t need hot water until I take my shower at 9.
So really I would be keeping 80 gallons of water hot for 23.5 hrs so I can use ~30 gallons in 15 minutes.
It’s only keeping it at ~120°-140°F (~50°C) compared to 210° (99°C) of the instant hot water tank.
I have a tankless water heater so that’s not a problem for me, but seems crazy thinking about it now.
Which leads me to my next thought. I wonder if they make tankless under sink hot water dispensers?
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ll add this too:
You can get a filter for the dispenser. Pure drinking water and hot water while reducing scale buildup.
I don’t have a filter on mine and I have never done any descaling or maintenance on it in 7+ years other than cleaning the faucet like I would any other faucet.
Pro:
Con:
$30 extra a year?
Like would you pay $2.50-$5 monthly subscription for unlimited instant hot/cold filtered water on tap whenever you want it? (above $2.50 would be for cold and filter if you choose those options instead of just hot. Since I assume cold takes more energy and you have to replace filters)
Doesn’t make sense for everyone, and you do have to think about the upfront cost. You can get a tank for ~150, then the faucet can be ~50 to whatever you want to pay.
So maybe if your Zojirushi ever breaks. I enjoy my Zojirushi bread maker a ton.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Cars get better mileage on the highway than on city roads. Drive an hour, stop, drive an hour, stop, drive an hour. It is less efficient than driving 3 hours nonstop. The more stops the more inefficient.
The under sink heaters are designed to keep water hot 24/7. I would image it is better insulated than the Zojirushi. The water is stored in a container that basically heats it up from every side. Some kettles like the one in the video have heating elements inside the water which is more efficient than just a hot bottom plate. Under sink heater has a hot plate on all sides of it’s box.
From my experience, I’ve had one my entire life and couldn’t go back. I would expect at least 7-10 years from one. One in my current house is 7+ years old and works exactly the same as the day I installed it. Never turned it off once.