Comment on Welcome to the Labour police state
HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I’m not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It’s like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!
Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 day ago
The group in question broke onto an airbase and put a couple of RAF planes out of action. They crossed a red line for the government.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Oh boy wait till you hear what the suffragettes were willing to do for another righteous cause, a bit over a century ago. I don’t know man, maybe the government should start reexamining its policies if ordinary people among its citizens are willing to start breaking into airbase and damaging their own planes.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 day ago
They were willing to commit mass murder in London and Dublin, and to assassinate the Prime Minister. Also deeply keen on removing all Jews from the House of Commons. Things that today would indeed mark them as a terrorist organisation.
Later, Emmeline Pankhurst would found a political party with the aim of requiring all civil servants to prove their racial purity back at least 3 generations, and many of the more prominent members of the WSPU became prominent members of the British fascist movement.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Sounds like a classic case of both the moderates and the radicals being essential for any real change. The moderates are the hammer and the extremists are the anvil.
Society is like a bar of iron. It’s stuck in its shape and resists change. Non-violent moderate protest alone is like a hammer without an anvil. You strike the iron, but the iron ignores the blow. With moderate protest alone, the established powers simply ignore the protests. They bend and duck out of the way and nothing changes. But violent groups serve as the anvil. They hold the powers that be in place and prevent them from ducking away from the hammer blow of the moderates.
Both hammer and anvil are needed. Without the violent extremists, the moderates are simply painted as extremists and ignored. With them, the moderates can actually gain traction. Moderate protest movements don’t succeed unless there is also a violent wing. Moderates are only moderate if there is something to moderate against. Without the violent extremists, the moderates will be the ones labeled criminals and arrested, regardless of how extreme their tactics actually are.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 day ago
Nothing they did makes them terrorists, no matter what you think of the action they took
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 day ago
They caused £7 million pounds damage. Now if someone damaged YOUR property and the police did nothing how would you feel? As the £7 million will now have to be found from tax payers money can you not see why the government is pissed… regardless of the cause this sort of action has consequences.
0x0@lemmy.zip 14 minutes ago
I’m not supporting a genocide, why would someone damage my property?
apotheotic@beehaw.org 18 hours ago
Nobody said there shouldn’t be consequences, but they have been labeled as terrorists, which is not a fair or correct response.
Morlark@feddit.uk 1 day ago
If someone damaged my property, I’d feel pretty aggrieved… and it still wouldn’t make them a terrorist. And the police wouldn’t do nothing, because damaging property is a crime. That property being a few planes doesn’t magically change the equation. Just like the government wouldn’t be doing nothing if they hadn’t designated PA as a terrorist organisation, because a whole raft of criminal charges would still apply.
Literally, and I want to stress this, literally nobody has suggested that PA should not face appropriate and proportionate consequences for their actions. And you knew that. You knew damed well that people have no problem with the government taking action, as long as that action is legal and democratically responsible. Yet you deliberately chose to dishonestly equate opposition to terrorist designation with support for them getting off scot free, even though that’s an obviously false and mendacious equivalence.
You are not very skilled at this dishonesty malarkey. Consider yourself called out.
shiturdgensider@lemmings.world 1 day ago
They threw paint at fighter jets you fucking liar. “Out of action”, bitch please.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 23 hours ago
Ah “liar”. They were tankers, not fighter jets. And paint thrown in an engine requires the engine to be completely stripped down for parts to be inspected and cleaned because it’s a plane not a lawnmower. They also went at the planes with a crowbar.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Still not terrorism
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 day ago
An attack on military assets for a political aim.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 day ago
No , terrorism is targetting civilians for political aim
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Uk has the obligation to stop all military cooperation with israel that’s the big crimes that people involved in should be in jail for up to 15 years
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
So, not terrorism
quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
paint
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Paint and crowbars. The engines will have to be stripped down and rebuilt.
shiturdgensider@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Poor babies.
Have they considered not helping a genocide?