Comment on US Politicians praying inside the House of Representatives

Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Would y’all be incensed if it was a Muslim congressperson (say, Rashida Tlaib) that was praying?

  Uh, yes?

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  • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Constitutional freedoms–including religion–are a foundation for our country. If that’s not what you want, feel free to repeal the constitution, or move to a country that has a state religion instead.

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    • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Lmao. Foundation of your country is racism, slavery, oppression, and neocolonialism.

      Feel free to read a history book that isn’t a full-blown propaganda some day. Your country always has been a christofascist state.

      But whatever makes you sleep at night, ig.

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      • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve read history books that aren’t full-blown propaganda. If you had read any, you would know that oppression and violence is the foundation of ALL western countries, and most non-western ones as well. The difference being that countries in the EU are more comfortable forgetting that their wealth was built on things like the exploitation of the Congo, the British East India Company, et al.

        The founding document of the US though, which is what I was clearly referring to, established certain civil rights that the gov’t isn’t supposed to infringe. Religious liberty is one of those. This is notably not a right in most non-US countries; many EU countries have state-funded religions, and citizens are often taxes by the gov’ts to pay for those religions.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I didn’t say they aren’t allowed to pray, just not in government buildings. It’s literally the first fucking amendment.

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      • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, no. That was never the intent of 1A. Individuals, or groups, are more than welcome to pray in government buildings, as long as they aren’t forcing that religious expression on unwilling people, using it as a religious test, or something similar that would amount to the establishment of a state-sponsored religion.

        Students can pray in schools; teachers can pray in schools. Teachers can not compel students to participate in prayers, nor are teachers supposed to lead students in prayer (as that’s implied compulsion).

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• xorollo@leminal.space ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m pretty sure the hypocrisy is exactly what is incensing about this photo.

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• tartarin@reddthat.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Frankly, is this really the expression of religion? I don’t think so. At best, it’s the expression of hypocrisy, like anyone praying in public for the show and his personal expression of self-righteousness.

  It’s still amazing that many Americans are falling for this and are so religion centered. My own brother-in-law is an American pastor and a huge selfish hypocrite.

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  • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m an atheist and a Satanist. I agree that these people are, by the measure of what the Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible is claimed to have said, hypocrites. At best. And yes, Jesus said that you should pray in private, and that people who pray in public so that they can be seen to pray have already received their reward. (Matthew 6:5 - “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.”)

    But it’s still a foundational civil right.

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    • tartarin@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I never said they didn’t have the right to show us their hypocrisy. Frankly, the Buffon in chief is doing much worse than that.

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