Comment on We really don't want to talk about our problems

• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think these two things are mutually exclusive

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  • NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes this is very true. I think if anything they go hand in hand, if society is hostile towards you, you are equally more likely to turn your back on it. If you start turning away from society, people are more hostile, so it reinforces that decision. It’s still a systematic failing though. Society should be pulling people back from the brink, not pushing them further.

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• selfdefense420@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  men built society. whatever problems are inherent in it were practically designed by men. as a matter of fact, the further we go, the more we slip away from the feminine qualities of our humanity (our more egalitarian hunter-gatherer roots). and as it begins to collapse around us, you incels are gonna cry about how it’s unfair? fuck you. put your big boy pants on and deal with it. or better yet, retreat completely from it and let the people with honest consciences rebuild it.

  god, i fucking hate incels.

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  • NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a rather bizarre response to come up with. First I am not an incel, that’s a right wing ideology I don’t subscribe to. I mean some of the concepts they use don’t even make sense statistically - like they are logically impossible. I digress.

    Women make up more than half the population. Sexism wouldn’t have been as big of a problem and still wouldn’t be as big of a problem if women didn’t perpetuate it too. Just look at the trad wife movement or modern women who despise feminism, or like any women’s beauty standards, or the whole thing about matching outfits, etc. All of these are forms of sexism that men just don’t engage in to nearly the extent women do. Purity tests for butch lesbians and trans girls is another one. At least you can argue that men also do that, but they aren’t the ones kicking women out of bathrooms.

    Absolutely toxic masculinity is a problem largeley caused by men, but that’s not the fault of the individual. Like I didn’t decide that boys don’t cry. Plenty of women too help perpetuate and reinforce these ideas by doing things like breaking up with men who show any vulnerability. There is a reason why gay men are better at this.

    As for the whole thing of slipping further away from feminine qualities - you do know not all past societies were more feminine, right? Have you heard of ancient Greece? You do realize feminism has made large strides at addressing much of these issues? Like this all used to be much worse, things have been progressively changing for the better and still are in most places. It’s only the USA that seems to have taken a nosedive recently. Even that is a push back against broader change.

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    • selfdefense420@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you do know not all past societies were more feminine, right? Have you heard of ancient Greece?

      you do realize that hunter-gatherer societies are WAY older than ancient Greece, right? we’re talking about a time before agriculture. you do not understand the context of what i was saying. your entire argument here displays a very juvenile understanding of life in general, so maybe i’m just talking to a bunch of children.

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• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is, of course, the fault of women.

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  • NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No? It’s the fault of all genders. Men perpetuate ideas that hurt other men, and women perpetuate ideas that hurt other women. Vice versa is equally true.

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    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Im sure. So hard to hear men have it so uniquely rough.

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      • NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No one is saying women don’t have it rough. The difference is one gender is being pushed out of society, the other is being pushed under it. Men are basically encouraged to give up and go away, maybe commit suicide or go fight in a war. Women are encouraged to find a “man” and become some tradwife who has no agency. Neither is a good thing, but don’t pretend they aren’t different.

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