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Comment on Stop Killing Games Initiative passes 700K milestone
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks agoYou guys need to make your bots a little less obvious
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
LukeZaz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
I swear to God, some people these days will cry bot if someone so much as blinks unexpectedly. Chill.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I get accused of being a bot all the time now because I still enjoy writing long-form posts and, y'know, contributing what I can to the state of human knowledge, or what remains of it anyway. I can't blame people for being defensive about it. It's the AIs themselves I'm offended by, they're the ones doing wrong. We're all just trying to cope with the avalanche of unverified garbage they're putting out. It's digital pollution.
LukeZaz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Yeah. I hear you there. Problem I usually have is that the odds of an accusation tend to scale less with posting style in my experience and more with level of disagreement, or whether or not the poster has personally witnessed something. Basically, “I didn’t see this with my own two eyes/dislike you, so this is obviously bot behavior.” It’s a conspiracy theorist-like attitude, and it’s predated LLMs entirely.
Nonetheless, I’m not happy that an entire new form of bot scrutiny has been introduced, and I absolutely cannot wait for GenAI/LLM hype to die the fuck down.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Nobody said anything about AI or LLMs.
Flooding online petitions with bots isn’t even a this-century thing let alone anything to do with AI hype.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
you need an digital ID to sign, so bots wouldn’t help.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
You need to input a number matching a regex, the format for which is helpfully provided on the page.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Oh shit forreal?
Does that mean I can pay for shit online with made-up credit cards?
algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Heaven forbid people checks notes care about something
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I… What?
Botting something that like a citizens initiative, where every signature WILL get scrutinized by government would be seriously stupid. Or are you saying commenters like mine are bots?
Is it really that hard for you to imagine the possibility… that people care?
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
There is zero scrutiny possible for the form which is 100% based on trust that the signer is who they say they are adults where they say they are. If you want to be John Smith in UK, Paddy Murphy in Ireland and Jurgen Schmidt in Germany, you can be. There’s a reason none of these initiatives have done anything except keep people who care about something busy with dopamine graphing instead of doing something like boycotting relevant games and publishers.
And no, like to the EU, Youtuber noise is not relevant to me. Millions of views is literally nothing. You see the general state of the world, yes?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Man what the fuck are you talking about, it requires an EU, country specific verification document(s) to verify you are an actual real person who lives where you say you do.
Examples:
Estonia
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Portugal
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Poland
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TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I’m with you with the fact that I don’t believe there to be any serious botting attempts, but I didn’t need a digital ID to sign from the Netherlands.
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I think they will verify with the municipality of the person who signed whether they actually exist. Theoretically you could sign on someone you know this information for, but I think IP logging would burn you pretty quick if even one of those is bogus/duplicate.
Also, I don’t know whether such signatures would be counted before any verification would take place
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
You know you can just fill in what you want right? And the number goes up? They even put the format right there.
Ask ChatGPT to make you a script to fill in that form with Beautiful Soup. Takes 30 seconds, if you haven’t already.
It’s cool that you led with Estonia, the one that was botted to 100% signatures a couple of days ago.
sevon@lemmy.kde.social 3 weeks ago
That’s entirely backwards. I’ve boycotted these online kill-switched games pretty well, but that means fuck all because the general public is incapable of collectively caring about anything. Regulation on the other hand does have an effect, and should the initiative pass, EU is required to properly answer it.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Answering doesn’t mean doing anything, and all they have to do is generally wave in the direction of the overwhelming popularity and profitability of the products compared to the online petition that 0.2% of the EU’s adult population will have signed.
If the general public does not care, legislation will not follow. Filling out and promotinh a glorified change.org form is energy wasted on actually popularising your viewpoint instead of trying uselessly to get it in unpopularly.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Right. Because caring about A means you can’t care about B. If you support legislation, you must be boycoting nothing, because no-one in the history of existence has ever done both.
You’re claiming mutual exclusivity where none exists.
You sound more like you’re scared of the implications of this passing, because you’d have us voting with out wallets rather than… actually voting.
Pre-order, micro-transactions and battle-passes are srill a thing, no matter how much we shout about “big company bad”. This type of crap isn’t something we solve by any one method alone.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
No, I’m not. I’m saying this is a waste of time. Like, writing six paragraphs that say nothing new level of wasting time.