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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Throw marketing and HR majors in there with business majors as the triumvirate of just literally evil and useless people, and I’m on board.
I say this as a person with an Econ degree.
We are not all evil, in fact most of us fucking despise business majors, as business is what you switch your Econ major to if you’re too stupid to actually understand advanced math, modelling, statistical analysis, as well as actual long term business strategy, and usually at least some coding proficiency in something like R or at least Python libs geared toward data crunching.
But somehow these idiot assholes end up being our bosses and we usually end up being their subordinate data analysts of some kind, basically because they master the arcane power of corpospeak, aka, professional gaslighting.
Likewise, accountants, actuaries?
Those are actual real degrees, you have to memorize an utterly astounding amount of essentially arbitrary laws and regulations, and if you go full actuary, some of the most complex statistics on earth, in some cases literally more complex and mind bending than what many theoretical physicists have to learn.
Anyway, most data oriented nerds are at least mildly autistic and realize they are generally not so good with people skills, nor the visually artistic kind of creativity… but we are generally self-aware of this, and realize that other people with other kinds of intelligences are needed if we want our data and analysis to actually be listened to.
Finally: HR and Marketing majors are all narcissistic sociopaths who are also too stupid to complete their psychology degrees, which they really only ever pursued to become more skilled sociopaths.
… Uh there, oops, I may have just written at least part of OP’s essay.
untorquer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Shocking that someone with a major that requires lots of writing would have similarities with model that simply copies the writing style with the largest sample size.
Your essay needs more Queen. “…most data oriented nerds are at least mildly autistic” might be a bit of a strong statement but they’re at the very least more compatible socially than the rest of the populace.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Oh no, I failed a purity test by not being inclusive enough, but also it simultaneously was not edgy nor controversial enough at the same time!
I am autistic. I am speaking both from personal experience and also personally knowing a bunch of other autists I went to university with.
So uh, misfire on the inclusivity purity test there, unless you’re gonna call me a self hating autist, in which case, ok lol.
You’re really gonna tell the autistic guy that he sounds like a robot, you know kind of a massively rude thing to do to an autist, who gets to hear that dehumanizing shit their whole life… you’re gonna tell me that and then also critique me for not being inclusive enough.
Amazing.
This doesn’t ‘need’ Queen, it is meant to be my authentic personal opinion, I do not identify as or with Queen, or use Queen mannerisms or phrasings. Took me a long time to learn that anyone that demands I mask for them isn’t someone worth much of my time.
Jumping from doing … some incredibly vague, unspecified, but nonetheless structural writing critique… directly into a totally subjective, personal preferences critique of the content of the writing, seemingly without even realizing you’ve done this…
Pretty much means you either aren’t well versed in English, or you’re intentionally conflating the two in bad faith.
I dare you to find any ChatGPT or similar LLM that naturally outputs written content that simply has as many … as I arguably overuse, consistently writes compound sentences with as many clauses as I use routinely, not to mention suggests intonation the way I do with bold italics.
Uh, um, in conclusion, in this essay I have shown that you have no clue what you’re talking about.
untorquer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My first statement was sarcasm. If you learned to write in university you would learn to write in an academic style. Since most people write more in university than the rest of their career there’s simply more writing with that style available. Since that’s all available through journals or more insidious sources it’s likely training fodder for AIs. Therefore someone’s writing being misinterpreted for AI likely just means they’ve used some academic style. I only commented on it because you brought it up in your first comment. I believe I’m in agreement with your original sentiment that it’s a silly notion(?)
The “E:” means “edit” since I edited my post to change the wording from worse language to something i felt was more appropriate.
The “needs more Queen” refers how OP uses the members of the band as examples to make their point. I’m intending to contrast that with your write-up which does not share a similar pop-culture example approach but hinges instead on your personal experience. You said your comment could be a good start to the series requested in the replies in the image. That is what i was meaning to respond to with this critique. I believe the replies in the image wanted more pop-culture based references.
None of it’s a purity test and the last part is just my opinion.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Who is the subject you are referring to?
I… am assuming it is me, because you replied to my comment.
If you were not referring to me… why did you reply to this comment of mine?
Did you mean to reply to a different comment I made, where I went into more detail about writing structures and LLM output?
But also, I am the only person that’s explicitly mentioned my own major… in this entire thread.
???
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Oh, ok, you are misinformed.
No, no, LLMs are fed 99.9% of training data from all kinds of random internet comments from the entire internet, reddit, intstagram, facebook, tiktok, everyone’s blog they forgot they even had 6 years ago, stackoverflow, truth social, twitter, youtube comments, wikipedia, etc etc.
They thus learn to emulate the average writing style of the average internet user, by default, albeit with some safety rails put on them manually.
They absolutely do not write in the style of academic journals, unless you specifically prompt them to write in such a manner, or ask them for precise details about data (or use terms and phrases) that essentialy only exists in academic journals.
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So… yeah, that’s why I assumed you were referencing me… because your sarcastic comment doesn’t make any sense as a sarcastic comment, because the thing its being sarcastic about is built on a false premise.
Also, because you specifically mentioned a writing style of a particular kind of major the OP doesn’t mention this concept, and as best I can tell, neither does anyone else in this whole thread.
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Also also… even if your idea that LLMs write in the style of academic writings… the only actual LLM generated text in this whole thread… reads like a high school assignment essay… it doesn’t at all read like something that would be published in an academic, peer reviewed journal, nor even really like much writing that would get better than a 2.5ish out of 4.0 as assignments in a Uni… it reads like middle to high schooler writing.
So your ‘sarcasm’ also doesn’t make any sense in that way either, because that is another, seperate but also present false premise that the sarcasm would have to derive from to… make sense…
Unless you are referring to me, and what I just wrote, in the comment you replied to.
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Well, I apologize for going off on you when you didn’t mean to insult me, but hopefully you can at least understand why I interpreted what you said as a personal attack.
Yeah, I missed the Queen reference being more directly related to the actual OP, I am at this point more used to celebrities and Zoomers using Queen as basically to mean a person who thinks very, very highly of themselves, has a considerable sense of entitlement and is feminine presenting.
And I was so worked up at this point I interpreted everything else as an attack.
(Ahem. Yep. Autism confirmed lol.)
So, yeah, I appreciate the explanation, I again apologize for blowing up on you.I can see now that you absolutely did not mean anything as a criticism of memor my own writing.
Your initial statement was, and still is quite confusing to me, but I appreciate that you took the time to explain what you were trying to say, and hopefully you now understand a bit of my thought process as you kindly explained your own to me.
Somewhat ironically, my intial confused interpretation of what you said you did manage to evoke a more catty, venomous and snarky response out of me, so perhaps that’s me being a bit of the Queen I wrongfully thought you wanted me to be, lol.