Comment on alternatives to lemm.ee?

• zyratoxx@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I prefer an instance that is unaligned in the lemmy civil war between the auth left and left libs. Having a hexbear, 'grad or ml account would instantly brandmark me in literally any conversation whilst most pure lib instances censor auth left content.

  Overall I prefer to get both sides opinions and then make my own unaligned one

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The struggle with such a standpoint is that both Marxists and Liberals have (to a varying degrees) coherent systems of values and understandings. For Marxists, as an example, Dialectical and Historical Materialism is the baseline, while liberals tend to be more idealist and deny aspects of class struggle. If you agree with either premise, then other conclusions necessarily follow.

    Plus, I don’t really think labeling Marxists as “auth” makes sense. All states are “auth,” as all states are instruments of class oppression, but the class in charge is what makes the biggest impact on how society is run. Liberalism is “auth” as the bourgeoisie rules, Marxism is “auth” as the proletariat rules. It is only by abolishing class that the state can be abolished, and class can only be abolishef by sublimating all forms of property ownership into common, public ownership.

    Either way, tangent aside, I recommend finding instances that match your interest, rather than strictly broad federation. Mander.xyz is a great example of an instance based on science, but it also has broad federation. Check Join-Lemmy.

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    • Edie@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If you agree with either premise, then other conclusions necessarily follow

      Nah, I’m in the middle, I’m not one of those, I agree with Dialectical and Historical Idealism. (/j)

      Ok, the historical part is just basic liberalism, but I’m not sure about Dialectical Idealism.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’ve been reading a bit of Hegel and authors like Plekhanov’s The Significance of Hegel. If liberals genuinely grasped dialectics to the level of Hegel, they’d most likely just be Marxists and drop the idealism. Hegel’s thought was a specific product of his conditions and his time, to the point where looking back at him and his thought the jump to Materialism feels obvious, but Marx’s advancements were quite revolutionary at the time.

        Basically, there are a very small number of people who accept dialectics and follow Hegelian thought over Marxist thought, as compared to Marxism. Would be an interesting stance to take in a world after Marx.

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    • zyratoxx@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I agree with the points you make. Of course both Marxism and Liberalism is auth to a degree but I think that both the council republic and the single party state are both more directly auth whilst liberal systems tend to be more indirectly auth - through influencing the media & corruption “LoBbYiSm”.

      Thanks for the mander tip, I might decide between mander and .zip since .zip has broad federation too and multiple frontends and was also recommended a lot.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        What do you mean by “directly auth?” If people have a greater degree of political freedom in one party proletarian states than in multiparty states where the bourgeoisie is in control, it seems freedom is greater for more people in the proletarian states. I think the whole “auth” concept is flawed to begin with.

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• oyo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I guess several people saying they would kill me if they ever met me irl, and claiming their statements were “real, actionable threats” is just a typical online fight in a healthy community.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I didn’t see any of that when glancing through your comments on Hexbear, mind providing an example with the context?

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