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• remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But US law isn’t inherent, either. Some guys just made it up.

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  • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law. It is literally the opening of the declaration of independence:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day. But most philophies think there are some obligations somewhere. There’s even a whole Tav show dedicated to the discussion (the Good Place).

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law.

      Exactly. Whether it’s morals, laws or obligations, it’s just a set of human made-up believes and ideas. And once you dismiss the idea of a god/creator. I just can’t see how any of those would be “inherent” to anything. That’s just we happend to agree on (and even that only works if you look at small enough communities).

      It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day

      Indeed it does. Then again … so does the debate about the shape of the earth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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      • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I love this quote about the breakdown of obligations in America. It’s not a direction I want to go, but it does seem to be the direction we are headed:

        In America, everyone does whatever they want, society did break down, it’s terrible, and it’s great! You only look out for number one, scream at whoever disagrees with you, there are no bees because they all died, and if you need surgery you just beg for money on the internet. It’s the perfect system!

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