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yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The discussion is over whether we can create an AGI. An AGI is an inorganic mind of some sort (which would have various properties, such as the capacity for independent thought). We don’t need to make an AGI. I personally see no reason to do so. The question was can we? The answer is No.

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communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
You’ve arbitrarily defined an agi by its consciousness instead of its capabilities.

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- yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The definition is the exact opposite of arbitrary.
  
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  - communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Jobs are not arbitrary, they’re tasks humans want another human to accomplish, an agi could accomplish all of those that a human can.
    
    For instance, people frequently discuss AGI replacing governments. That would require the capacity for leadership. It would require independence of thought and creative deliberation. We simply cannot list (let alone program) all human goals and values. It is logically impossible to axiomatize our value systems. The values would need to be intuited. This is a very famous result in mathematics called Gödel’s first incompleteness theorem
    
    Why do you assume we have to? Even a shitty current ai can do a decent job at this if you fact check it, better than a lot of modern politicians. Feed it the entire internet and let it figure out what humans value, why would we manually do this?
    
    In other words, if we want to build a machine that shares our value system, we will need to do so in such a way that it can figure out our values for itself. How? Well, presumably by being conscious. I would be happy if we could do so without its being conscious, but that’s my point: nobody knows how. Nobody even knows where to begin to guess how. That’s why AGI is so problematic.
    
    humans are conscious and have gotten no closer to doing this, ever, I see no reason to believe consciousness will help at all with this matter.
    
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    yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Feed it the entire internet and let it figure out what humans value
    
    There are theorems in mathematical logic that tell us this is literally impossible. No mechanical process can generate a consistent set of axioms to summarize or even approximate human intuitions. Such a process would get things wrong and output contradictions.
    
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