Denuvo doesn’t even stop games from being torrented. They still get cracked.
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chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or, and hear me out… you could stop treating entertainment as a right. Stealing food and necessities? I’ll help you carry your prize. But stealing entertainment isn’t a flex. You aren’t helping to drive cost down, and every person that does it is just another reason for companies to put Denuvo in their games. You aren’t “owed” entertainment. Don’t steal it. Find something else to do. Get an old console and a shit ton of games for next to nothing and simultaneously help out the second hand game economy.
What it comes down to is the price of modern entertainment isn’t just $60 for the game. It’s that plus all of the extra bullshit you have to do. If you don’t want to pay that, fine, no one is forcing you to buy the games, and you don’t need them to survive. Your silent protest against the gaming industry isn’t some valiant effort to rob from the rich and give to the poor. It’s theft. Call it that. You aren’t fucking batman; you are a person who steals entertainment because you have to have the latest thing. You aren’t fighting capitalism, you are part of it, and you are making it worse for everyone else.
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Killer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which is my point. I pay for games. If they have Denuvo slowing them down, it isn’t because I paid for it, it’s because other people stole it, or have stolen in the past. The anti-theft software doesn’t exist because there are no thieves. I do my best to avoid Denuvo games on principal, but it’s hard to play a AA game or higher without it. There are a lot of people to blame for it, but it wouldn’t be there at all if not for thieves.
DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Is there anyone left that actually cracks denuvo? I’ve only heard about Denuvo games getting bypassed due to denuvo-less copies of the main exe file getting leaked.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
They’re to the right actually.
tauren@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
You aren’t “owed” entertainment. Don’t steal it. Find something else to do.
I shouldn’t do what I enjoy because you said so? 🤡
NotProLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
+1
You are not to decide what we do, only suggest.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you enjoy stealing, then that’s something you should talk to a professional about.
architectonas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How is torrenting “making it worse for everyone else”?
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
every person that does it is just another reason for companies to put Denuvo in their games.
If you want more, it’s also a rally cry for execs to bring up at board meetings about why their latest game didn’t sell well. It’s why Nintendo can brick your Switch 2 from orbit if they detect pirated software (which will surely lead to false positives).
ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Of course… its the consumers fault companies are increasingly anti-consumer friendly.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s what they tell their shareholders.
architectonas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They could also choose not to. Also, I have never heard of any game not selling well due to piracy. It just leads to producers not earning quite as much money as they could theoretically (though it is debatable if pirating people really would buy the game instead of just refraining completely).
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whether or not it is what actually happens, it’s what they tell their shareholders, which is enough to make them resort to anti-consumer practices like third party launchers and anti-theft software.
festnt@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
piracy isn’t stealing. it would be stealing if people were able to literally take ownership of a company’s game.
if one person wants to buy a game, but doesn’t have enough money, or the game is too expensive, pirating it doesn’t make a difference, since they wouldn’t buy it anyway. it’s very rare for a person who would actually buy a game to pirate it, so the difference is minuscule.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is theft, and th people that say it isn’t are making excuses so they feel better. You can grow your own food, you know? And it keeps growing back. But if you walk into a grocery store and walk out without paying, you are stealing. If you walk onto a farmers land and keep taking food from their crops without paying, it is stealing.
You make two very different arguments that highlight my reason for calling out theft. The first is that the person steals because companies don’t allow us to own anything. That almost holds water, until you understand that entertainment isn’t a necessity, and so stealing it is a wholly selfish act.
However, that brings us to your second point: people pirate because they can’t afford it. You contradict yourself. Who is the “pirate”? The one who steals in under misguided idea that some things cannot be owned, or the one that steals because they can’t afford it?
At the end of the day, you are being advertised to, and you feel that you have to have the latest thing because the advertising is working, and so you steal when you can’t afford. You are a part of the system that you fight against with your mantra of “nothing can be owned.” Stop.
festnt@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
i “made” two arguments, apparently… when did i talk about the “nothing can be owned” stuff? all i said was that piracy isn’t stealing and that most people doing piracy aren’t affecting the market at all, since they wouldn’t have bought the game anyway.
also, please look up the definition of software piracy, as it seems you don’t know what it means.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
piracy isn’t stealing. it would be stealing if people were able to literally take ownership of a company’s game.
Line one. That’s when you mentioned it. Literally right there in your words.
jinarched@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
arstechnica.com/…/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hu…
This article points to a research that concludes that piracy is really not an issue for those companies though.
It think that piracy is actually a great way to give everyone access to culture that shouldn’t be gatekept by their financial situation. Imagine a world where pirating music is shun today. Nobody cares now, we all listen to free music online without paying. Not to mention that piracy is pretty much the only sureway to make sure some medias (including games) are preserved. If you want to make sure that your favorite games don’t become lost medias in the future you should consider the good sides of piracy because those companies don’t care about it; they just want you to buy the next thing.
So if piracy is not affecting those companies revenues and if it gives access to culture to everyone and even help preserving media why the hell shoul we lose our minds over it? Sounds like a good thing to me.
Now, selling a game that cannot be owned and that can be revoked at anytime or a game that can change its TOS on a whim is much scummy imo.
If you don’t want people to pirate your game, price them fairly and allow you customers to own a copy and offer an easy to use service.
In any cases, I won’t shed a single tear if someome pirate a game especially a AAA game.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This article points to a research that concludes that piracy is really not an issue for those companies though.
And yet we still have anti-theft measures on most games. The anti-theft measures aren’t there because there were never any thieves. They are there because theives provide a scapegoat to publishers to blame low revenue on. Regardless of whether or not it is actually happening, the net results are the same because the lie is there. Pirating or stealing games may not have a real effect, or may even be a positive one, but it doesn’t matter because there is still a negative outcome when companies increase the price of their games and force anti-consumer launchers and anti-theft DRM into games.
Imagine a world where pirating music is shun today. Nobody cares now, we all listen to free music online without paying.
Maybe you and your friends do, but a lot of people pay for music streaming services with give an admittedly mediocre amount of revenue to the artists. The idea that we should steal “culture” and make it free to everyone is ludicrous. People still have to eat. All of the time and effort that goes into making a game or a record has an expected return, and that return is a paycheck.
Now, selling a game that cannot be owned and that can be revoked at anytime or a game that can change its TOS on a whim is much scummy imo.
If you don’t want people to pirate your game, price them fairly and allow you customers to own a copy and offer an easy to use service.
That is why there are pro-consumer groups working to make sure that bullshit like what happens today doesn’t continue in the future. The EU and UK have very strong pro-consumer policies that protect the buyer instead of the seller. Change is happening, but it doesn’t make it easier when there is the ever present scapegoat of, “we do this because people steal.”
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but nowardays you paid for the product with your data.
dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Nice try. The downvotes are actually on the right.