Comment on First Nations writer speaks out after being stripped of $15,000 State Library of Queensland award over Gaza tweet

• sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a self governing state in the Levant. Not all Zionists are expansionist.

  Where would you expect Jews to go?

  Jews aren’t going anywhere, neither are Palestinians. That is our starting point. Wishing it was otherwise is pointless.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They can go the same place they went after Rhodesia was destroyed. Stay in the new more fair country or leave.

    Only racists promote ethno-states, there is no need for a state for every ethnicity.

    Israel is not Jewish people, I fail to see how Israel no longer existing affects the living conditions of a a Jew in Melbourne, but that truth hurts your antisemitic attempt to link all Jewish people to the war crimes committed by Israel.

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    • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Anti Semitism can arise again. Conspiracy theorists have been scapegoating Jews for centuries.

      Only racists promote ethno-states, there is no need for a state for every ethnicity.

      I fail to see how Israel no longer existing affects the living conditions of a Jew in Melbourne

      There are literally Nazis in Melbourne. That is why there was a law made a couple of years ago to prevent Nazi salutes. It is contained for now but it is not guaranteed as safe in the future. Jews in Melbourne would gladly use Israel as sanctuary if their life depended on it.

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  • Lionir@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How exactly can you be a non-expansionist Zionist if the existence of Israel necessitated the Nakba? How can you rationally justify the existence of the Israeli state if you refuse population displacement?

    I find it hard to find a good faith argument this position.

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    • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Firstly: regardless of the Nakba, the reality is that neither Jews (despite Hamas & Hezbollah efforts) nor Palestinians (despite Trump fantasies which Netanyahu/Likud seems to be unfortunately leveraging) are going anywhere.

      But since I have Covid and have time on my hands I decided to read into some detail about the Nakba. I found this article which you may agree with except that you may not agree that Israel should exist in any form at all (in which case we should just end our discussion). I also found this article which you would find challenging I am sure but if you do read it I am interested in your criticism of it.

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