Comment on I've seen it said that TNG was centered around Picard, Riker, and Data like TOS was centered around Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. But I've always thought of TNG as an ensemble cast. Thoughts?

daq2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is a sharp divide between TNG and the TNG movies, in terms of quality and writing style.

  In TNG, Data is most heavily paired with Geordi. However, he is paired with other characters or has his own isolated adventures. Pretty much all the main cast characters get the same. The movies are more, let’s politely say “streamlined” in how they treat characterization.

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• circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve always felt like the TOS movies were better than the TOS show, but the TNG show was better than the TNG movies.

  My reasoning is: the TOS campiness was great, but the 2-3-4 trilogy especially highlighted the strengths of the cast, and the slightly more militaristic Starfleet actually worked (and don’t even get me started on them red uniforms… Mm). STVI is likely the best political story in the entirety of the TOS canon.

  Meanwhile, TNG the show was tackling themes that TOS would have never touched. I suspect it actually may have a lot to do with the fact that the last few TOS movies and the TNG show were made at roughly the same time.

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  • setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The TOS movies seemed like labors of love. The TNG movies seemed like chasing in on a brand name.

    I don’t have specific examples on hand, but I do believe Patrick Stewart had a lot more clout and creative control in the TNG movies, and Stewart seems like he’s got an ego, and doesn’t care about the integrity or legacy of Picard as a character beyond being a vehicle for Stewart to either do the acting he wants, regardless of its appropriateness to TNG, or as an excuse to drive dune buggies around for fun.

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    • 1simpletailer@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pretty much. Stewart’s carrier really took off post-tng and he would only come back for the films if they gave him more creative input. Same thing with the Picard Show. Look Patrick Steward is an outstanding actor who has now demonstrated multiple times that he should never EVER be let near a writers room. Its theorized that why we didn’t have a veteran Trek writer for Nemesis, nobody could stand working with Patrick Stewart any more.

      There was also a lot of studio interference. That’s why we have Kirk in Generations, because the studio suits didn’t think a Star Trek movie could succeed without Captain Kirk. Suits also wanted each movie to have a Khan-esc villain, which they pretty much failed with every time.

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• cyd@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, and the problem with the Picard and Data show is that those characters don’t really have a relationship, at least not an emotional connection like Kirk/Spock/McCoy. They basically just had a professional relationship, which was fine for the series. But in a movie narrative you have a very short amount of time to make the audience care about the main characters, and Picard/Data simply could not provide that emotional core.

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