Comment on Hamas, federation and legality
trespass@lemm.ee 8 months agoAgain, you’re painting with a broad brush. Nazism and antisemitism are frequently associated but mutually exclusive.
And one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter.
yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 8 months ago
Yeah, nationalism and anti-communism are also pillars of nazism. Wait…
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trespass@lemm.ee 8 months ago
All I’m asking for is a bit of nuance beyond “communists are saying nazi things”. Being similar is not being the same. You’re implying that Palestinians are Nazis, which is… a tremendous stretch.
Historical_General@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Also just wrong, since both Jewish Zionists and Nazis were inspired by European colonialism. (Important to note there are Christian Zionists out there, and the original British Upper Class Christian Zionists basically just wanted the Jews out of Europe).
yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 8 months ago
“Communists are saying Nazi things”? I’m not sure where I talked about communists besides the opposition to it in Hamas.
And no, I’m not implying Palestinians are Nazis - I’m responding to the claim that Hamas isn’t fascist just because there’s more to fascism than antisemitism. Yes, antisemitism does not imply fascism. But antisemitism combined with a few other factors does imply fascism. (And no, fascism does not imply antisemitism).
And it’s certainly not a stretch to claim a subset of a group is fascist. Like this Palestinian on the left (who is also instrumentalized by Israeli fascists to claim all Palestinians are Nazis - which is obviously wrong, but this guy certainly was one):
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Also, just a small definition: I use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably, there’s not much of a point here to argue semantics.
Historical_General@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeah, that’s why Mossad funded them. If they were Islamist, they’d be easier to control like the Saudis and friends.
yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 8 months ago
Never said anything positive about Israel, did I? I responded to a comment saying just because Hamas is antisemitic doesn’t mean it’s fascist. While that’s true, Hamas fulfills more hallmarks of fascism than merely antisemitism.
Historical_General@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Well, I wasn’t criticising you personally. I was adding some important, interesting and peculiar context.
Don’t you find it wierd that Israelis were more interested in weakening a disciplined left secular party and inviting corrupt terrorists to power instead? I mean obviously, if Palestine ever were to be free, the business class don’t want them to be left secular nor independant.
Personally I don’t think Hamas should be compared to fascists, the term obscures the unique problems in the Middle East between different factions, who fall in and out of favour with the chief meddler in the region (US). But it doesn’t really matter.