Comment on I'm a 6'1" man with size 3 feet which means every they measure my feet at a shoe store, the Brannock device gatekeeps my gender

• darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  size in centimeters

  Measuring like that would be even easier in the US, where the answer would always be simply “one foot”.

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• Manticore@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s normal for men to have wider feet, with a wider and longer toebox compared to the length of the foot. Length is only one dimension of several. (Though a lot of people don’t think to replace their shoes for arches.)

  It’s unclear how much of that is upbringing. The two box length is gendered, but toe and foot width go up wen spending a lot of time barefoot, and toe width goes down in pointed shoes that can eve n make toes ‘tuck’ and cause bunions.

  A women’s 9 1/2 double-wide fits me about the same as a plain Men’s 7. Women’s dress shoes are rarely in wide, and NEVER double-wide. Though I’ve found success with Aussie brands because going barefoot is normal there and so the shoes are often wider for everyone. We’re also seeing the toebox become a more slanted natural foot shape, instead of the weird point symmetrical one.

  Bodies can be complicated, and one size/shape isn’t for everyone. The way we live and dress absolutely changes the shoes we need, too.

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My most recent shoe purchased was decided because the arc in the shoe perfectly marched my own. Also i do have rather wide feet and did go barefoot a lot as a kid. Funny thing im the only in group that still has arches.

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    • Manticore@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I recommend re-lacing. Autocorrect changed it to ‘replace’, but changing how your shoes are laced really helps. I have a very high arch, and found that I didn’t actually need much arch support in the shoe itself, I just needed the tongue not to be pushing down on it. Feel like giving it a try?

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      • TisI@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Huh! That’s very interesting. I’ve never thought abou lacing having an impact on fit. I also have high arches and I’m definitely giving this a try. Thanks!

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  • weirdboy@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes but the number doesn’t have to change. Just like in the US, they use letters to denote relative foot wdith vs. the average. No need for multiple numbering schemes.

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    • Jtotheb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Just like in the US

      The letters denoting widths exist, but they’re not used. Very few US shoe brands offer different widths on the same size shoe. Some offer two. A handful three, and now you’re talking about workwear, not trainers or anything else. Generally, US shoe widths are decided by whether it’s a mens or womens model.

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      • weirdboy@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        My fellow lemming, I worked in a shoe store in the US for two years. I can tell you that yes, in fact, every shoe has an associated letter denoting width along with the number denoting length.

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    • Manticore@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It is more accurate, but for most people it probably makes it more work. If most [Group A] need [Item A], it gets labelled that way so they can be sectioned that way. It probably would be better, especially for more uncommon shapes, to use measurements. But most people don’t want to do that for everything, they want an easy answer so they can go home. A lot of women I know have never bothered to get their bra size professionally measured, and that’s a readily available service that saves so much literal pain.

      Reminds me of mens/womens deoderant. IIRC the real difference is that one is creamier (for body hair) and the other is powdery (for shaved skin). So sometimes men might want women’s deoderant or vice versa, and the labelling CAN obfuscate that.

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• hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That would make it a foot measurement, not a shoe size.

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  • th3dogcow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It would except for the fact that shoe sizes here, from babies to adults are only denominated in centimetres. If there are international sizes printed on the shoes, they have no meaning to residents in Japan. Check the tag inside your shoes; If they have international sizes printed on them, you’ll see Japan’s is in centimetres, and may have EE (or more Es) next to it to denote width. If there is nothing, then they are standard width.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is probably gonna blow your mind. But most shoes are worn on feet. Crazy, uh?

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