Well then perhaps you should tell Israel’s government to stop murdering civilians. Oh I know they say it’s all in self defense but you have to be pretty wilfully blind to accept that.
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dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year agoThe actions of Israel’s government doesn’t give anyone the right to murder civilians and on top of that parading their broken and mutilated bodies through the streets while a crowd is loudly screaming and spitting at them.
FMT99@lemmy.world 1 year ago
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is not a fucking tit for tat situation you vile human being
FMT99@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s how Israel had been treating it for decades. I’m happy to agree that Hamas’ behavior is vile. Do you agree that Israel’s behavior is equally vile? Probably not. Israel’s violence is always “justified”, the enemy’s is always “vile”.
doublejay1999@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unles their action were murdering civilians , perhaps.
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is not a fucking tit for tat situation you vile human being
doublejay1999@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It would seem that is exactly what it is.
TheDankHold@kbin.social 1 year ago
And that’s how Palestinians feel about the decades of reprisals Israel has inflicted upon them because of Hamas.
It doesn’t give them the right to bomb hospitals and apartment buildings. It doesn’t give them the right to gun down journalists and children. It doesn’t give them the right to evict Palestinians from their homes to send in colonists for replacement. It doesn’t give them the right to turn what should be a separate country like Gaza into a literal open air prison where they can cut their power and water and they need to have Israel approve an exit pass to leave their homes and go anywhere else in the world.
Neither average citizen wants this bullshit to happen. But it’s not up to them, it’s up to a terrorist organization and a government that literally funded Hamas in the 80s and 90s so that the moderate coalition didn’t win. The one going into mosques to rough up and arrest random practitioners. I feel for every citizen in both territories, just know that war mongers in your government have contributed massively to these tragedies.
The extremists in your government had a large hand in creating the group that’s now slaughtering innocents and giving them an excuse to glass the people they look down on.
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
What makes you think that I am from Israel? I am from Europe.
My support for the people committing those murders AND those that cheer over broken and mutilated corpses is ZERO. I am pretty sure that I am not the only one outside the Middle East that feels this way, because of the terrorist attack.
And on a sidenote: You can shove that „Israel had it coming“ where the sun don’t shine.
TheDankHold@kbin.social 1 year ago
I mistook you for the original commenter, I apologize.
With that out of the way. You’re right that people who murder innocents don’t deserve support, which is why I condemn Hamas and the Israeli government. Good attempt at conflating my criticism with Israel as a whole but that’s manipulative framing. The Israeli government has taken plenty of actions that directly prop up Hamas and even share responsibility for its initial rise.
As an American, the Israeli government caused this in a similar way that the American government caused 9/11. Much like Israel and Hamas, American government invested in Al Qaeda in the 80s to accomplish a selfish geopolitical goal and it ended up with a massive terrorist attack on their home soil.
It’s awful and reprehensible that innocent people are being killed, no caveat. I’m just not so easily blinded by shock and emotion that I can’t identify the underlying causes that drive this inhumane clusterfuck forward.
I’m willing to keep talking if you’re willing to not assume the worst of my position instead of seeking clarification. What Hamas did was disgusting.