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• HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s the position of zionists. I threw it in for completeness, and added a counterargument. If you want me to explain their position more thoroughly, zionists believe that Jewish safety can only be guaranteed by Jewish independence. In any democracy, minorities are only protected as long as the majority vote for their interests. Zionists desire a state with a jewish majority, to guarantee safety. I don’t believe in states because I’m an anarchist, but I empathise with wanting the protection of a state.

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  • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the United States, I find the Zionist argument to mostly be a racist Christian push to remove Jews from the US.

    I recognize that people may believe it without that racism… But it’s just a crazy argument to me… And I think the way you originally presented it is the way that is normalized by extreme Christian organizations in the US which is why I called it out.

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    • HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like to fight against my opponent’s strongest position. If I were to ignore my opponent’s best arguments, then those I educate could change their minds later when they run into those arguments. If I acknowledge their best argument and refute it, then there’s nothing more they can do in the debate. OP didn’t know the first thing about Israel when I made that first comment. They ought to know why Israel thinks it’s in the right. If I say Israel are bad and don’t explain why they’re being bad, then I’m not properly educating OP. Every hateful or evil group in the world has some kind of reason they think they’re in the right. Understanding these reasons is essential.

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      • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Excellent.

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