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GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

It’s not so much two infants irrationally arguing. Israel has owned some of this land for three generations. So the folks living there have passed it down as long as they’ve been alive. But another group owned it first, and the oldest among them remember the days before the occupiers came.

It’s like if the Cherokee decided to go full on guerrila warfare in the 1940s. Would they maybe have a point? How would it square with folks that had already been there for 80 years? It’s the settlers generational home now, too. Everyone has legitimate greivances. It’s not about settling tantrums, it’s about mediating between people that have legitimate but mutually exclusive claims.

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ccunix@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The problem goes back further. You say “another group owned it first”, but Israel say they have had that land for millennia and it was given to them by God.

Palestine did not even exist until the British randomly carved it out on a map except for a brief period under the Romans around 0BC. The Romans called it Palestine in order to remove Israel’s identity.

How far back do we go?

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- spirinolas@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My God said your home belongs to me so…gtfo. Please, leave something in the fridge for dinner. /s
  
  Palestinians themselves, like Jews, descend from the ancient Hebrews. While the Jews left and (somewhat) assimilated in the lands they moved to, Palestinians were assimiliated by the Romans and Arabs. While their language and religion changed they are basically the same people.
  
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  - redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    And like any good brothers they go full Cain and Abel.
    
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    spirinolas@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If my brother steals my house from me and leaves me in squalor…
    
    Let’s just say Christmas dinner won’t be a happy one.
    
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    Welt@lazysoci.al ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Cain disAbeled his brother…
    
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echodot@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Part of the problem is neither group seem to have any real interest in negotiation. Both groups seem to engage in war crimes attacking civilians and other illegitimate targets.

Every couple of years they get bored and lob missiles at each other, but the “war” has essentially devolved into a stalemate where everyone’s just trying to cause as much misery as possible without any real hope of victory or advancement.

I don’t understand why there are any westerners there. The whole region is red flagged for UK citizens, there’s no way I can get insurance to go there, I don’t understand how some people do.

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- dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Israel is coming out of a political crisis from 2021that saw a huge loss in confidence on the government including a dissolution of the parliament. Now that Netanyahu is in power again, he loves that this war broke out. Nothing cements a government in power like a good war.
  
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Brtrnd@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That’s a simplistic take. There’s a saying that goes something like if you don’t read up, the Jewish are within their rights. If you read a bit, the Muslims are within their rights. If you study the issue you have no idea anymore.

I believe at this point everything in the media is a spin on the truth; for both sides.

How I see it, is that the ones with the money and technology have a better probability to stop the cycle. The ones with their backs against the wall have little options. Violence seldom leads to less violence.

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