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The whole Levant area has seen so many blood-soaked conquests that any claim of ‘proper’ or ‘original’ owners is wilfully and maliciously ignorant. This is also the case for pretty much every bit of solid ground. Your desire to return things to “how they were” is just you picking your fave point on a timeline of history.

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Devi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Not what I said in the slightest. Current residents were and still are being displaced.

Take my own house as an example, who lived here originally? Probably some celts. Who lived here before me? Fuck knows, but they left and it tranferred to me.

If someone decided to donate my house to someone else would I be mad? Fuck yes.

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- 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The celts were actually just so good at genocide that they fully displaced the people before them in most places they live now…
  
  Trying to find the “original owners” of anything is stupid as history doesn’t go back that far, so as you say we just need to look at current residents
  
  Issue is, currently Jews are being displaced from their homes to Israel and Palestinians are being displaced by them, so there’s underlying issues that need to be solved first
  
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  - Devi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Nobody is trying to find the 'original owners', it's not relevant at all.
    
    Jews are not being displaced from their homes. People currently moving to Israel are moving by choice, and kicking families out of their homes to do so.
    
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- Zippy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  So Hamas is killing Israelis who live there right now and trying to steal their houses. They should be mad as fuck and retaliate. No?
  
  Or are you suggesting they have not lived there long enough?
  
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  - Devi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You seem confused. No Israeli houses are being stolen. Hamas or representatives of them killed around 200 people at a recent event. In the same period Israel has killed 500 people, including nearly 100 children.
    
    There is a war occurring, and people will be involved in the fighting. However this is an America funded army with bombs and planes against a few groups that are mostly using rocks.
    
    This is a breakdown of the resources available - https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/this-is-the-imbalance-of-power-between-israel-and-palestine-in-real-terms-46651
    
    Israel have decided that they want the gaza strip, and are blanket bombing with the explicit goal of eliminating the population there. It's brutal.
    
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    Zippy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Civilians will get killed when you use them as shields. And please don’t try and tell me Hamas is not using them as shields.
    
    Also don’t try and tell me Hamas is not indiscriminately sending rockets into Israel. I feel bad for the 50 percent of Palestinians who do not support Hamas but I don’t feel as bad for those that do.
    
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roguetrick@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Importantly mostly the people stayed after those conquests though. They were Christianized by the Roman empire and held the major Christian center of Antioch, then they were culturally Arabized by Muslim conquests. The main caveats to that rule were the Roman Jewish deportations. Largely, the DNA of the ancient peasants and the current inhabitants is the same.

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