Fuck Labor, they are making it worse, she pointed this out.
Neither Labor or the LNP have anythibg to offer. Fuck 'em and their voters condemning us all to an unlivable planet.
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null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Here’s an idea, protest at Dutton’s pressers, dumb ass.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Albo or Dutton are going to be PM.
Which do you want?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Albo, in a minority government with the Greens. As an excellent video I watched recently pointed out, The Coalition has always been minority governments too, Labor & the Greens just need to point that out this time.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
Neither Labor or the LNP have anythibg to offer
You have got to be trolling
Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
They do, genius.
Why shouldn’t they protest the currently sitting government when they’re the ones actively fucking us?
threeduck@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure the current labour government took us from 28% renewables to 48%, with projections of mid 80s by 2030.
Current gas use was earmarked by the Liberal government in the mid 2010s, with locked in prices that caused gas to be sold at next to nothing until 2030-35. Expansion of gas in the interim was deemed necessary to stop the gas industry from imploding due to poor Liberal deal making.
Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
I’ve said what I’ve said, I stand by it and don’t really intend to keep arguing, but I’ll add that focussing on energy production is misleading and a distraction from the fact that there are far larger sources of emissions that we are responsible for. As I understand it the targets they’ve set are the way the industry was going regardless, I could pull the data and analyse it but I honestly can’t be bothered putting that much work in, the report here has some nice charts to give you an idea of how those gains where locked in prior to the 2022 election. If you’ve got data to backup that Labor is directly responsible for a significant portion of this I’d love to see it, because it’s very hard to find any analysis for that.
The economy argument is often thrown out by Labor, but it’s an exceptional flimsy one on two fronts. For one the wellbeing of people and the environment are significantly more important (fight me, the economy is a form of violence), but also resource extraction doesn’t really contribute that much to tax income anyway, it’s pretty much only good for the wealthy elites. They take in enormous profits, contribute next to nothing to the greater good all while writing off the immense harm as an externality. It’s a wealth transfer project, in short.
If Labor wants to show that they actually care, they’d nationalise all those extraction projects and put in a plan to halt all exports while securing the livelihoods of those in the industry.
threeduck@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
I mean, I agree wholeheartedly with everything. I’m putting greens 1 absolutely, but labour is obviously above the libs. My point, while labour is shit house, as far as centre left politics go, they’re making gains towards net zero, unlike the libs who vote against both 2035 and 2050.
But just as an aside, are you vegan?
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I can’t believe I need to spell this out but …
As regards climate change ALP is not perfect but they’re infinitely better than LNP.
When you protest against ALP you inform low-information voters (which are the majority, by the way) that both parties are the same as regards climate change.
In a few short weeks either the ALP or LNP will form government. If it’s the LNP they will roll out plans for nuclear power which is really just a license to keep burning coal for another 30 years.
If you’d like Australia to continue deriving it’s energy from coal, then by all means protest the currently sitting government, during an election campaign.
Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Just because one party is bad doesn’t mean we should settle for the slightly better one who are still actively burning our future, that’s an absurd argument on the face of it.
We need to call out everyone for the shit they do because the fact is these guys are not good enough, they are not infinitly better than the LNP, they’re marginally better and their entire climate change plan mostly relies on doing nothing and letting industry progress the way it’s already been going.
Rising Tide is not lying about anything and misleading voters, the fact of the matter is Labor is doing all this shit and an election is the best possible chance to force them to be better. If they lose the election then that’s on them for not shaping up and doing better, as people are literally shouting at them to do.
Fuck the ALP and the LNP I won’t settle for ecocide in any form. If the ALP doesn’t change then it doesn’t fucking matter because the end state is going to be the same regardless. We are not at a point where we can sit on our fucking hands and wait for slow change to save us, people are actively dying and we’re blazing past tipping points like there’s no tomorrow.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
All I can do is reiterate what I said.
If LNP wins we will continue to burn coal as our primary source of energy for another 30 years.
Is that what you want ?
What can you do to avoid that outcome? The options sure as shit do not include protesting about climate at ALP pressers.
Taleya@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
THIS IS WHAT YOUR VOTE IS FOR.
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
Can you back up both claims in this statement with any studies, sources etc?
Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Even if this is true, if people are voting based on climate in the first place then this isn’t going to make them go “well, might as well vote for the LNP” more they’ll go independent or Greens as we saw in the last election.
We have preferential voting anyway, focusing on the big two parties is immensely myopic and a stupid argument that everyone used to silence legitimate criticism of the Democrats before the last US election. (The Democrats lost because they had a shit platform and didn’t care, not because people criticised them)
The main goal of basically every climate activist group right now is to force whoever forms government to do so as a minority. This is both good for climate, and liberal democracy as a whole by helping move beyond a two party system. (Not that I have any love for liberal democracy in any form, but it’s still a positive change)
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Sure: It’s a patently obvious observation. End study.