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MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

I’d love to see what you’re basing that conclusion on. Most American women identify as feminist, which aims to liberate men as it does women from deeply entrenched gender norms. Less men identify as feminist, and one could argue some of that loss is because some men don’t value the liberation of women while still valuing the liberation of men. Admittedly, not all feminists are working towards liberation equally, but at its core it’s about self determination for everyone regardless of sex or gender. Most marriages in my social circle have the woman earning more than the man, and the men are not operating as “sentries” or “sex toys” in these relationships. Most do not need a male protector at this point and can certainly get sexual gratification solo or elsewhere if something happened. If you’re not American I can’t really speak about your country, and even in America lived experience can differ, but it seems reductionist to say nobody cares about men.

It seems like you have an interest in crypto, which is fine, but that community seems to self select for a certain type of person. It’s possible you’re just not in spaces where the majority of people behave the way the general population does.

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Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Most American women identify as feminist

white women voted for trump 65 to 35, so thats a lot of feminists voting for a rapist or your statement might be wrong ;)

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- MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  This is an easily accessible statistic. If you want to discuss what it means that a third of Americans didn’t vote, or issues with intersectionality, I’m happy to do so, but the statistic comes directly from pew: pewresearch.org/…/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-de…
  
  I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not super relevant to the conversation at hand. Some women voted Trump. Women as a whole did not. If we’re using voting Trump as a proxy for feminism/supporting men and womens liberation then the commenter would have to at least concede that women are more likely to support men’s liberation than men are. Also, if this is to be a discussion of white women as it relates to respecting men, if men believe that nonwhite women are most likely to respect then then I’d love to see more men embracing their representation and elevating nonwhite women. I don’t really see that. So it then goes back to why are men not supporting men? Why are men not elevating people that support men?
  
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01011@monero.town ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Many Americans also identify as Christian while also chasing wealth. My point being, ideology does not always change or improve behaviour. Most people who claim a particular dogma will not accept or even understand its core tenets. I dare say that most self identified feminists are not in it for the benefit of all, I have had conversations with such women, listened to their issues and watched as they have dismissed the concerns of others. I know from close acquaintences that white feminists really struggle to extend that spirit of equality to non-white female feminists, how much worse will they thus act towards men?

There is a reason why marriage rates have dropped while rates of sexlessness for younger men have increased. Maybe your circle and observations are not the norm?

P.S. Your assertions about cryptocurrency are way off base, I’m into tech. I used to mine and there are some projects that I have found useful. I do not associate with too many crypto people in meatspace. Certainly not when it comes to women.

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- MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I would not suggest that purported ideology is a perfect proxy for behavior, but it is a statistic I can cite. I did not see you cite any statistics. I brought up personal experience, as did you, and they are obviously different, but that doesn’t make one inherently more valid.
  
  Sure, there is a reason why marriage rates have dropped, but if you’re claiming it’s because women view men as wallets and sentries and sex toys, then I’m not sure you understand the historical context of marriage. Money and protection and socially acceptable intimacy were the driving forces behind marriage since women couldn’t have jobs or bank accounts, nor were they allowed any physical intimacy outside of wedlock. So it seems weird that now in a more free society you come to the conclusion that the decrease in marriage is due to that, considering if anything it’s been more true historically than currently.
  
  Are you’re purposely ignoring women in the crypto space?
  
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  - 01011@monero.town ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I do not purposefully ignore women in any space. Back to the actual topic:>
    
    What makes a man “marriageable”? In addition to being a romantic arrangement and a family form, marriage is an economic institution. So, when men lack economic resources, they may be less likely to marry. weforum.org/…/what-upticks-in-u-s-economic-inequa…
    
    Men’s odds of being in a relationship today are still highly correlated with their income,” Stone said. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/…/681518/
    
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    MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Low income women are also less likely to marry. That doesn’t mean that men are viewed as wallets. It certainly doesn’t indicate an increase in men being viewed as wallets. Income correlates with a lot of things such as health and education level.
    
    This doesn’t back your initial claim that people overall do not care about men.
    
    The reason I bring up your interactions with women in crypto spaces is because I find crypto spaces to be overly focused on wealth. It’s possible those interactions are coloring your perspective. If you disagree then I’m not sure why you’re not interacting with more women in that space irl. It’s possible there’s an issue with building community that isn’t local and therefore your irl options don’t share your interests/values. Not specifically you related, just in general as things get more online.
    
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