okay, so, ford I get, but jones was, for a 1930s guy, slightly above average.
and I’ll put up with a LOT of misogyny to get some nazis punched.
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flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 days agoThough the character of Indiana Jones or Harrison Ford as a person aren’t really worth to aspire to. Sure, the nazi punching part is great but being a sexist piece of shit isn’t…
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
flora_explora@beehaw.org 5 days ago
Why do you choose to see Jones in the context of the 1930s? It is character based on the values of the 80s and onward. On top of being misogynistic, the character of Indiana Jones is also being the white hero playing into many racist tropes. So using Jones as this Nazi fighting hero doesn’t work even on the most basic level. Again, I’m all for punching Nazis, but we should choose better heroes or even better: no heroes at all!
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
I’m pretty sure they were based on books. I could be wrong.
problematic is not the same as nazi. as demonstrated by many of our (great) grandfathers, who killed a whole buncha nazis, and generally believed killing nazis was cool and good, but were still massively racist homophobic transphobic misogynist assholes. again, you can call me whatever slurs you want, as long as you’re shooting nazis in the head while you do.
exedore6@lemmy.sdf.org 5 days ago
Indiana Jones is an original character from the movies. That said, he’s certainly based on adventure fiction and movies from the 30’s that inspired Spielberg.
flora_explora@beehaw.org 5 days ago
Spielberg told Lucas he was interested in making a James Bond film, but Lucas pitched him of an idea “better than James Bond”, outlining the plot of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Well, growing up in Germany with all my grandarents being more on the nazi side of WWII, I feel like the US idea of getting rid of nazis is that you just have to fight them like in WWII. It didn’t work though. German society and politics was still very much made up of nazis afterwards. Sure, they got taken the power to act upon their ideology in the same way as before. What you need is a systemic change where fascist ideas don’t have any space anymore, where emancipatory ideas can grow and where people are liberated in who they are and what they think. But the issue is, misogyny and racism like portrayed by the Indiana Jones movies are strictly opposed to emancipatory struggles. Giving discriminatory ideas like these too much space will again lead to more fascist tendencies. My point is, it isn’t always black and white, nazi or not nazi. I have no idea if my grandparents were all nazis. They were just kids brainwashed into this ideology. My granddad fought in the Wehrmacht against the allies, but he was just 17. It is easy to say “punch nazis” or “kill nazis”. But unless you have a clear cut enemy like in a political party or an opposing army, this gets messy pretty quickly.
HungryJerboa@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good here