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Then don’t buy anything.

If you want to stop shit behaviour you need to provide consequences.

Buy a used car instead, there’s plenty of them.

When the new car market falls apart these manufacturers will change their ways.

But because people are unwilling to part with even the tiniest bit of convenience, prestige, whatever the fuck it is, I wish I knew, then the bad behaviour is encouraged and then you’re left in a situation where the market sees there’s no consequences for adding this shit to their products and they all do it.

Then everybody suffers.

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FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
So, I’m supposed to drive an older, less safe car without the features I want? I’m supposed to keep using an ICE? No thanks.

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- punksnotdead@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Less safe? What features do you need that, say, a 2015 model can’t have?
  
  An ICE that is still on the go is more environmentally friendly than manufacturing an EV from new… A new EV versus a new ICE, yeah fair enough. But replacing a perfectly functional ICE vehicle with a new EV for environmental reasons is just marketing, consumerism, and trend following.
  
  To stop bullshit spying of every part of a vehicle, to stop bullshit waste of perfectly functional vehicles, buy used.
  
  Obviously, fuck cars, use public transport if you can, but that’s unfeasible for most, so buy used!
  
  Especially if you can get your hands on something like a 1.0l with a giant turbo strapped to the side. They’re pretty common in Europe, I don’t know about America.
  
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  - FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    What features do you need that, say, a 2015 model can’t have?
    
    assist, and adaptive cruise control come to mind.
    
    A new EV versus a new ICE, yeah fair enough
    
    Well, buying a new car is what I’m interested in. I want something reliable, not something with 10 years of wear and tear on it. Hell, a big draw of EVs is their dramatically simpler maintenance plan. If I’m in the market for an EV, a 10 year old ICE just isn’t a good alternative.
    
    Especially if you can get your hands on something like a 1.0l with a giant turbo strapped to the side. They’re pretty common in Europe, I don’t know about America.
    
    I really wish… I got back into motorcycles this year, so I have a 250cc engine to move me around now.
    
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    boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You can get adaptive cruise control as far back as the 1998 Mercedes S-class. Though that model has a lot of issues. Get 2005+ for nightvision and other cool toys plus better reliability.
    
    A 2025 Hyundai is not going to offer you significantly better safety than that, if it’s truly safety you’re after. Definitely not some small CUV that fits entirely in the the front crumple zone of the S. You’re right about maintenance though. Just lease something new and let the second or third owner worry about the consequences of modern maintenance schedules. Or like you said, get an EV and sell it before the battery warranty is out. It’s not like you’re actually going to be able to affect an entire industry by holding out on buying new lol. Just don’t be left holding the bag on the repair costs of modern cars.
    
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- watson387@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I will be the first one to tell you that the infotainment system in my Subaru makes the car LESS safe to drive.
  
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  - FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I can believe that. My job has me travel, so I’ve rented a lot of different vehicles. Some are definitely more intuitive than others. I don’t think I’ve had a Subaru though.
    
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