Comment on Can we defederate from rdq2.net?

• flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am infact quite happy to have as few Nazis and pedos in my corner of the internet as possible, just think it’s inevitable they’re going to be somewhere with the nature of self hosted platforms like lemmy

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  • BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This thread is about lemm.ee, the instance your account is on, defederating from a Nazi pedo instance. That means not having them in your corner of the internet. Why are you arguing against this?

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not lol just wanted to have a conversation about the topic because the “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

      It’s fairly obvious to 99% of people when it’s things like Nazis and pedos but it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

      Lemmy instances having their own rules and defederating from those they don’t like seems like the best solution provided there are enough of them that users can jump ship if they don’t like the way they’re run

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Okay o’ wise liberal of the lake. What are these “controversial topics”?

        Please enlighten us and get to the fucking point.

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      • BurgerPunk@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

        Such as?

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Pedophilia and Nazi shit are not acceptable. How fucking hard is that to understand?

        Quit JAQing off and answer my questions motherfucker.

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      • Cummunism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not lol just wanted to have a conversation about the topic because the “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

        LIB

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        free speech except these people" viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

        Human welfare as decided by the humans in question. If we agree that we would overall benefit from Nazis being cast out, then that is all that is needed to cast them out.

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      • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable

        it extremely doesn’t. communities have standards – they get to decide.

        It’s fairly obvious to 99% of people when it’s things like Nazis and pedos but it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

        I’d extremely like to know what more controversial topics you have in mind blob-no-thoughts

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Great and if they retreat further and further into Nazi/Pedo instances instead of engaging with the criticism and condemnation of their views and actions then that just curates for us a list of people that need to be excised from society at large. Online or otherwise.

    This creates a list of people that should be placed in reeducation programs post-revolution. I don’t see a problem with it.

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you concentrate them all into one place they reinforce their own views and don’t get told to stfu by others on the internet, the problem is this way they don’t get silenced, just hidden

      Reeducation programs sound very dystopian to me

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Reeducation programs sound very dystopian to me

        Okay so what is your alternative? Throw them into a pit and bury them? Let them continue to spread their virulent bigotry?

        I think reeducation programs sounds pretty humane to me.

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So are you going to actually reply to my question?

        What are these controversial topics you are afraid of not being allowed to discuss?

        Get to the fucking point.

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      • BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So what, it’s better to have Nazis and pedos out in the open? Do you think you’ll give them a West Wing speech and they’ll magically realize the error of their ways? Nazis aren’t looking for people to challenge their views.

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Explain yourself mfer.

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      • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        getting banned is silencing them, fool. it prevents them from recruiting more people. they can talk to themselves day in and day out but without fresh meat they can’t grow. the lesson of the last decade is that deplatforming 100% works. your free speech bullshit is exactly how nazis cover for themselves. liberals clutching pearls about muh freeze-peach just provides them a defense.

        free speech for who, for what purpose, and at what cost? do you ever stop and think about the people harmed by the presence of the people you’re JAQing off for?

        everyone has a line past which they won’t tolerate “free speech” – if they were advocating for the murder of the people you love 0% chance you’d be pulling this shit. the problem is you feel safe and comfortable in the knowledge that they don’t threaten you. you’re comfortable with the bigotry, shielded by the bottomless chasm of your ignorance. wake up call: if they seize power, they will hurt you and everyone you love, just as much as the rest of us. you’re not fucking safe.

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      • ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They don’t just get hidden, they get suppressed and repressed. Their views are less widespread and influential. They are more often ignored by the workings of power and economy. Shove the nazis into a hole and seal it up, good riddance.

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  • Helmic@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They have always had their own platforms, using forum software and the like. They will use any free software regular people will use. They always had their own isolated corners of the internet.

    So then the question is whether these people would cease to be nazis or pedophiles if only they interacted with “normal” people. Decades of that mindset have gone by and the answer is “no.” They want tu be in normie spaces to convince others, they’re not going to deradicalize like that. Deradicalization is hard, time consuming for volunteers, and rare, as well as rarely complete. And even if it were effective, it is unethical to demand the people they target be the ones to deradicalize them. Nobody here signed an agreement to be a nazi pedo’s unpaid therapist.

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