Comment on Philosophy meme
BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I too highly suspect most moral relativists are full of shit and don’t actually believe in it. Ya’ll don’t believe in moral progress?
Saying that something isn’t objectively quantifiable (like morality)
Subjectively the morality of your example is abhorrent, but objectively you cannot, cannot , cannot! quantity it! Morality only exists in our minds! That doesn’t make it any less meaningful, but it makes it
not
objective
So you also say that mathematics is subjective?
You can quantity maths. It’s the prime example of something objective and quantifiable. No I’m clearly not saying that.
What I mean with “exists only in our minds” is that it isn’t some externally measurable thing. There is no moralometer which can measure the morality of an action. It only exists to us, humans. That makes it subjective.
If you’re wondering about the meaning of the previous comment it is to clarify that saying there are no objective moral truths doesn’t mean I am dismissing morality. It just means that objectivity isn’t applicable to it.
BluesF@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Moral “progress” only happens because of our collective judgement of what is right changing over time.
BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I expect this response despite the indication of its issue. Were nazi’s morally rigtheous in gassing millions of innocent people to death because they believed so? At that time that was their ‘progress.’ Independent of other socities or yourself having any issue, it’s simply fine to say that because a nazi thinks it’s fine, it is fine?
I don’t think so, and I don’t think that is dependant on my preference. It just is wrong.
BluesF@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Of course the Nazis weren’t right by our standards, and of course they were/are by their own. But by what universal standard can we judge their morality against ours? How can we know that what we think is right is the objective morality?
Saying “it just is” really just means “I think so”, and it there’s as much reasonable backing for you to say it “just is” wrong to be a nazi as it is for someone to say it “just is” wrong to be gay.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
There is a distinction to be made between epistemology and ethics. Just because it is unclear how to judge an action as good or bad doesn’t mean that there isn’t a fact of the matter.