Depends on whether you think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp.
If they are, being instruments of racial and economic genocide, America has nearly 10x as many concentration camps as China with less than a quarter of the population. That’s not really a fair comparison though, given how much China loves centralization, so it’s probably better to talk about the number of people involved.
Current estimates place about 1-1.5 million Uyghurs in the camps. “Regular” prisoners account for another 1.7 million. There are currently 1.9 million US prisoners.
If we go ahead and give potential credit to all Chinese prisoners as victims of political and ethnic persecution as we have for American prisoners (as ACAB), that still leaves America with a wildly disproportionate prison population per capita. While China openly imprisons political dissidents and ethnic/religious minorities.
So, do you honestly think we currently have fewer concentration camps in a way that matters? What’s it going to look like once we really start going?
I don’t think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp. Gitmo for sure, but a normal prison not really. There’s bias in the system, but you don’t go to jail for just being black/latino/gay/muslim (yet). And AFAIK they don’t steal your organs (again, yet).
Not really. Again according to the UN report nothing China has done compared to just normal American prisons. Except few uighurs as a percentage of their population were ever imprisoned than just black men as a percentage of the total black population.
If what you believe happened in Xinjiang is genocide, America is currently commiting genocide on twice the scale for the past 120 years.
I’d love to see that UN report. Please link it, or at least copy-paste the section comparing the two. I want to see how they sterilize and how they steal organs from Americans.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
China has more mosques than the US, and Xinjiang is majority Muslim.
Tja@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
They also have more concentration erh, I mean, re-education camps. For now, at least.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Depends on whether you think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp.
If they are, being instruments of racial and economic genocide, America has nearly 10x as many concentration camps as China with less than a quarter of the population. That’s not really a fair comparison though, given how much China loves centralization, so it’s probably better to talk about the number of people involved.
Current estimates place about 1-1.5 million Uyghurs in the camps. “Regular” prisoners account for another 1.7 million. There are currently 1.9 million US prisoners.
If we go ahead and give potential credit to all Chinese prisoners as victims of political and ethnic persecution as we have for American prisoners (as ACAB), that still leaves America with a wildly disproportionate prison population per capita. While China openly imprisons political dissidents and ethnic/religious minorities.
So, do you honestly think we currently have fewer concentration camps in a way that matters? What’s it going to look like once we really start going?
Tja@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
I don’t think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp. Gitmo for sure, but a normal prison not really. There’s bias in the system, but you don’t go to jail for just being black/latino/gay/muslim (yet). And AFAIK they don’t steal your organs (again, yet).
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Not really. Again according to the UN report nothing China has done compared to just normal American prisons. Except few uighurs as a percentage of their population were ever imprisoned than just black men as a percentage of the total black population.
If what you believe happened in Xinjiang is genocide, America is currently commiting genocide on twice the scale for the past 120 years.
Tja@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
I’d love to see that UN report. Please link it, or at least copy-paste the section comparing the two. I want to see how they sterilize and how they steal organs from Americans.