Why do you have to pick one or the other? Can we not recognize that the governments of western nations and the government of China are all evil institutions that cause far more harm than they ever could benefit?
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yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks agoBetter China than the West. At least slavery is banned in China.
vvilld@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
‘recognize’ is a weird word for ‘delude’.
China raised more people out of poverty than any other government in history, and certainly more than any non government group. The amount of good they’ve done is truly amazing, with absolute minimal harm when honestly compared with their western counterparts.
Would it be better to not have any institution and have automated luxury gay space communism? Sure. But we’re never getting there from a western society.
vvilld@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Again, both are shitty. In fact, not just both, but all. All hierarchical power structures are just plain evil. I’m not interested in parsing which evil is more evil. The Chinese government is an evil institution. The US government is an evil institution.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
That’s a fine ideal to strive towards, an communism, including the Chinese government hopes to get there some day.
Tja@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
As long as you’re not Muslim.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
China has more mosques than the US, and Xinjiang is majority Muslim.
Tja@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
They also have more concentration erh, I mean, re-education camps. For now, at least.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Depends on whether you think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp.
If they are, being instruments of racial and economic genocide, America has nearly 10x as many concentration camps as China with less than a quarter of the population. That’s not really a fair comparison though, given how much China loves centralization, so it’s probably better to talk about the number of people involved.
Current estimates place about 1-1.5 million Uyghurs in the camps. “Regular” prisoners account for another 1.7 million. There are currently 1.9 million US prisoners.
If we go ahead and give potential credit to all Chinese prisoners as victims of political and ethnic persecution as we have for American prisoners (as ACAB), that still leaves America with a wildly disproportionate prison population per capita. While China openly imprisons political dissidents and ethnic/religious minorities.
So, do you honestly think we currently have fewer concentration camps in a way that matters? What’s it going to look like once we really start going?
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Not really. Again according to the UN report nothing China has done compared to just normal American prisons. Except few uighurs as a percentage of their population were ever imprisoned than just black men as a percentage of the total black population.
If what you believe happened in Xinjiang is genocide, America is currently commiting genocide on twice the scale for the past 120 years.