yeah I read recently gas degrades over time too?
lol kinda off topic but I saw a wacky vid of someone filling their truck bed up with gas which was lined with garbage bags and some was leaking out... surreal vid
Comment on 911 not gonna come coz they ran out of gas... and they want to take guns away, lol
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years agoWell normal bike also doesn't need gas or electricity
On a related note, I wonder how Preppers are going to deal with it. Everyone says to get a offroad gas jeep/4x4...
But when there will be no gas, how will you drive ?
An electric car makes more sense, because at least you can charge it with solar panels, however slowly....
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Madness.
What I am reading is that petrol 'rusts', absorbs water and also gums up over time... sadly the third thing can't be prevented even in perfect conditions
sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 2 years ago
You can get gas stabilizer to enhance the lifespan of gasoline.
SirAleric@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
The solution I've been looking into is buying a diesel car/truck. The process to make diesel fuel from vegetable oil is specific but not overly complex, and you don't need super fancy hardware or chemicals to do it.
If you can grow a few acres of rapeseed (AKA canola if you're sensitive), then you've got renewable diesel and transportation! It's just a dream of mine right now, 'cause I have a gas car and if I can't buy gas then it's useless.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
you can easily make gas with two stove pipes, and a covered pot. If you fill the pipes with water, it filters all the nasty stuff from the burning wood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfznunVzKY
This clean gas works in 2 stroke/4 stroke engines. I've seen videos of people compressing it for bigger storage. WW II era 10 kg wood would get 100 km range for trucks
SirAleric@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Wow, only 10KG of wood enables a truck to travel ~60 miles? That's pretty darn good! I'd heard of wood gasification before but never knew it was this feasible.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
There are big hurdles - the vegetable oil. I have been trying to figure out how to get oils on my own. Rapeseed has to be crushed to get the oil... have you seen how its done ? Google it. Its really labour intensive. Imagine the work to get 1 gallon of oil. Not to mention work in preparing, tilling, harvesting and sorting chaff.
The second part - the biodiesel generator requires alcohol and other chemicals. Alcohol requires its own process, where you have to grow a ton of grain, potatoes or fruit. Again, the preparing, tilling, harvesting and sorting, then the Alcohol brewing process which is a time consuming job.
None of this work can be automated... because you don't have gas to run combines and tractors. It will be with horse or human power, like the Amish
...I just don't see how to do this practically in a reasonable amount of time
My proposal is to use woodgas. You need a closed pot to burn wood, a pot with wood chips to catch tar and particulates and an old radiator to cool the gas. Then it can be connected via hose to a 2 stroke/4 stroke. There's a lot of DIY videos. Wood is easy to get, no planting, harvest etc required
Either that or solar and an electric car, or a bicycle
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
used to be able to get free used cooking oil grease from places, have you tried to source grease locally from any places?
I think they have to send it off to a recycler so would probably be happy to give it out for free
there's a biodiesel sub
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
ah.... I was thinking of prepping for doomsday kind of scenario. Obviously if I could buy stuff, I would just do that
But if you are going to be fully independent, then vegetable oil for cooking will require a lot of work, I would just harvest grass/hay and make animal lard instead
If I had to run a vegetable oil to bio diesel system... its way too much. The amount of farming for a gas tank of diesel just won't make sense.... maybe if you have some horses to help you work the land it could be easier. Still a shitload of work.
Solar or wood gas is just so much easier... and wood literally grows on trees, lol
masterofballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Interesting idea, although it might be more economical to go Tesla and solar panels to be energy independent.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Try farming without any of the big machines... its literal backbreaking labor
My grandpa was a poor serf whose back was totally curved from all the bending. He tilled the farm with some bulls. Their village hut was surrounded by hay from the chaffing process. They didn't have electricity or petrol, a well in the ground for water, another for pooping.
If everyone had to grow all the food they eat manually, we wouldn't be here online anymore. There would be no time left in the day
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I've looked in to biodiesel before and it looks interesting
would enjoy hearing of your experience with it or if you've tried it
most I can figure out is that I could make light out of them with a simple candle (some piece of cloth immersed in a container of oils - usually the cooking oil grease)