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Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

That’s not going to keep them from selling it. Their defense is the need to keep Firefox “financially viable”, but if that keeps them from being able to broadly state that they won’t sell our data, it’s better to use a fork that prevents Mozilla from accessing that data in the first place.

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scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Right? The license literally says they have a right to everything - everything we do in Firefox, and that we grant them full access to it. The shit is that? I don’t need a law degree to read and understand that.

No, Mozilla, you don’t have permission to see everything I write and type. You don’t have permission to see the images I upload or even as far as I’m concerned you don’t have the rights to see what webpages I visit. The most you get is when I (used to) submit a bug report.

The browser is the fundamental most basic access to the internet. I get that there’s potential for data brokering profit, but it is a slap in the face to everyone who used firefox for privacy reasons.

They’re trying to backpedal now:

Friday’s post additionally provides some context about why the company has “stepped away from making blanket claims that ‘We never sell your data.’” Mozilla says that “in some places, the LEGAL definition of ‘sale of data’ is broad and evolving,”and that “the competing interpretations of do-not-sell requirements does leave many businesses uncertain about their exact obligations and whether or not they’re considered to be ‘selling data.’”

See, you don’t need to ever sell my data - like ever. There is zero reason for a browser to sell my data. I don’t care about the backpedaling.

I spent 20 years on Firefox. Through the good years and the bad, when it was slow and clunky compared to the new shiny chrome through the bad PR. This is the straw that broke the camel’s back. For now I’m on Librewolf - then who knows.

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- remington@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I’ve been using Firefox since its inception. I just want to wait until the dust settles before I decide what to do.
  
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  - scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Idk man, at this point I see the hope, but after watching a few videos today of deep dives into their leadership - I don’t have much hope for them anymore. Most of them come from data brokers and ad agencies, Meta, and other big tech. If it’s not today, it’ll happen tomorrow when the dust does settle.
    
    Looking at the PR where they literally removed “We will never sell your data” was pretty much the final nail in the coffin for me.
    
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    remington@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I certainly understand where you are coming from. If time tells that they’re disingenuous then I’ll move to a fork or something else entirely.
    
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- ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Alright, seriously considering jumping ship to librewolf now. As someone relying on a Mozilla account to store and sync passwords is it still available in librewolf?
  
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  - megane_kun@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Not who you’re asking, but I’ll answer nevertheless.
    
    I’ve jumped from vanilla Firefox, to Librewolf, and now to Floorp. I’ve also played a bit with Zen. In all of them (except Zen, which I didn’t go to the process of connecting my Mozilla account), my Mozilla account connected and synced just fine.
    
    I also no longer use vanilla Firefox mobile, but moved on to Mull. I am able to sync my stuff from Floorp to Mull and back without much trouble.
    
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    reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Mull is unmaintained. IronFox is the current fork.
    
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    jonne@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    I am able to sync my stuff from Floorp to Mull and back without much trouble.
    
    We really need better names for stuff
    
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    Zubgub@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Mull is no longer being maintained. IronFox seems to be the go to for mobile now and is what I use. I don’t use syncing so I can’t say for sure, but it does appear to have a sync setup in its settings.
    
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  - clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Sync works, but pay attention to the fact that even if you self host it the authentication is still done on Mozilla’s servers.
    
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  - thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I also bookmarked the Librewolf Flatpak package. I consider to change my browser (Firefox) for the first time in 20 years or so, since its inception. I do not rely on the Mozilla account, so the switch should be easier for me. Passwords should be compatible I assume. In worst case you can export and import passwords.
    
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- ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The technicality is likely that the application on your PC called Firefox is considered to be Mozilla, so of course the application needs to see everything you write
  
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