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• Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yet comparing all socialism to the Soviet Union is exactly what you did.

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  • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Once you come up with an economic model that both works economically and does not hand power to elected officials or some other such group,

    I literally wrote that I would support some form of socialism. That is not sarcasm. I am not talking about one example, I am talking about economic and game theory principles.

    If you analyse the common forms of socialism using those, it is obvious it will always devolve into authoritarianism. The incentives between leaders and the population are too misaligned.

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    • GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You wrote you’re supporting of the kind of socialism a lot of socialists would consider capitalism, because it doesn’t try to achieve socialism, it just tries to keep people happy by having strong social programs. And it’s odd of you to talk about game theory when according to game theory capitalism gets more effective when those same social programs get cut and that money is used for capitalistic purposes. Capitalism is also the reason why we still have 40 hour work weeks, because any increase in individual productivity is not used to reduce working hours but used to reduce the number of workers. Why? Because the goal is profits and if you can do the same amount of work with less people your profits increase. Keeping the same amount of workers but reducing working hours doesn’t increase profits so that’s not a desirable outcome.

      f you analyse the common forms of socialism using those, it is obvious it will always devolve into authoritarianism.

      No offense, but I seriously doubt you’ve done any of such analysis.

      The incentives between leaders and the population are too misaligned and the power is too concentrated.

      So instead we should support a system where political motives are commodified and corporations sell the power to influence the political landscape (see Cambridge analytica) and corporations have such power entire nations struggle to keep them in check (see Facebook fighting with EU over targeted ads) and then there’s whatever shady shit Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and Boeing are doing. The USSR had a corrupt power structure in place but they still had to play the charade of appealing to the people. Part of the reason you know USSR sucked is because they had to do it publicly. Corporations have unchecked concentration of power, they can (and they do) keep their shit secret and when there are whistleblowers (like in case with Boeing) they just kill them and nobody will do anything about it because corporations can have so much power nobody can keep them accountable.

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      • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No offense, but I seriously doubt you’ve done any of such analysis.

        Well, go do the analysis for yourself then. But no, you would rather live on fairytale than look at your beliefs critically.

        Part of the reason you know USSR sucked is because they had to do it publicly.

        Yeah, why not show complete ignorance of history.

        You wrote you’re supporting of the kind of socialism a lot of socialists would consider capitalism

        No I didn’t.

        So instead we should support a system where political motives are commodified and corporations sell the power to influence the political landscape…

        You ever heard of the concept of lesser evil? That is what I consider capitalistic social democracy. If you find an even less evil system that does not just run on hopes and dreams, I will switch my support to that one.

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